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Disney Parks Transportation

osian

Well-Known Member
Why for all that is holy would WDW want to spend funds to build and maintain 2 seperate transportation systems/infrastructures?
They are maintaining about 5 at the moment and keep having to restructure and rebuild to keep up. And what is wrong with separating guest traffic from service traffic? And I was mainly musing about what might have happened had that approach been taken right from the start, not necessarily rebuilding what they've now got. Though as I say, they do keep rebuilding and reorganisng the roads.
 

JMcMahonEsq

Well-Known Member
So you think the existing skyliner was a mistake to build?
I don’t think about it one way or the other. It exists, whether it was a mistake or not is completely irrelevant. It’s like talking about what Walt might have wanted Epcott to be….who cares? He’s dead and what he had been planning wasn’t built. It’s the past and is irrelevant as to what I think Disney should do spending money now going forward. I don’t think more money should be spent expanding it, but don’t waste time thinking about thinks that can’t be changed.
 

Mr. Engagement

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
It’s not the cheapest solution, it’s the most efficient way to move groups of people around a given city/area. It’s why you don’t have monorails taking people to work all over us metropolitan areas. It’s the reasons kids aren’t taking gondolas to school every day. It’s the reasons they didn’t built artificial lakes and canals to boat people around Washington DC.
Buses are not the most efficient way to move people. As we've discussed, loading and unloading take much longer than on systems with multiple points of access/egress (Monorail, parking trams), or systems that continuously move without stopping (Skyway, PeopleMover, Omnimover, etc.)



As for why kids in America don't take gondolas to school every day, I'd encourage you to learn more about global innovations in public transit. There are various interests that keep American cities dependent on cars and trucks. The total cost to build and maintain is not the determining factor for public transportation.
As to did the skyliner come at the expense of something else? Of course it did. Any capital expenditure/investment is going to be a choice of allocation of resources. Money spent on it are dollars not allocated to other projects. Is the small system that they build a huge draw of funds? In isolation probably not. But I wouldn’t want to see capital funds allocated to its expansion
I understand the allocation of resources. My point is that Disney Transit and Ride Operations are completely separate business units. I was asking if you were aware of a specific parks addition that was delayed for the construction of the Skyliner. I'm not convinced money saved in transportation equals money available for attractions.
 

Mr. Engagement

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Original Poster
I don’t think about it one way or the other. It exists, whether it was a mistake or not is completely irrelevant.
It's not irrelevant to me!
It’s like talking about what Walt might have wanted Epcott to be….who cares? He’s dead and what he had been planning wasn’t built. It’s the past and is irrelevant as to what I think Disney should do spending money now going forward. I don’t think more money should be spent expanding it, but don’t waste time thinking about thinks that can’t be changed.
But you keep saying you don't want anything other than buses so they can spend more on the parks.
 

JMcMahonEsq

Well-Known Member
They are maintaining about 5 at the moment and keep having to restructure and rebuild to keep up. And what is wrong with separating guest traffic from service traffic?
Separating the traffic between guest and service, absolutely nothing. It’s done right now, you don’t see workers on the busses for example. But to your post to maintain a roadway system for your employee/service traffic, and not leverage it as part of your guest transportation would be a waste
 

TrainsOfDisney

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I don’t think about it one way or the other. It exists, whether it was a mistake or not is completely irrelevant.
What a weird response. I’m not sure what you’re trying to accomplish here.

If it was a mistake…. Then they shouldn’t expand. It it wasn’t a mistake… then they should.

Seems pretty relevant to me! Ha
 

JMcMahonEsq

Well-Known Member
What a weird response. I’m not sure what you’re trying to accomplish here.

If it was a mistake…. Then they shouldn’t expand. It it wasn’t a mistake… then they should.

Seems pretty relevant to me! Ha
That seems like a pretty simplistic idea/viewpoint . There are plenty of things that might have been built, might not have been a mistake, but don’t need to be expanded. They serve the role they were built for.

Or maybe it was a mistake to built them in the first place so you don’t want to throw good money after bad expanding them now.

Hell you could built something, and it was a complete mistake to build it then. But now you are stuck with it so you it makes sense to expand it now because you have to deal with what you have, vs tearing it down and starting over.

Going through an excersize of mental master… discussing if the skyliner should have been built or not is not only pointless, it’s entirely irrelevant to the question of should they expand it now. The only question that matters now is does the skyliner need expanding now, is it worth the money to do so, or would the money be better spent on something else.
 

TrainsOfDisney

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Let’s get this topic back on track - focusing on the joy and beauty of Disney World Transportation! Phots from my personal collection. 🙈

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nickys

Premium Member
Buses are not the most efficient way to move people. As we've discussed, loading and unloading take much longer than on systems with multiple points of access/egress (Monorail, parking trams), or systems that continuously move without stopping (Skyway, PeopleMover, Omnimover, etc.)
Continuously moving systems can be very difficult and scary for some people to access.
Whether that’s someone who’s blind, needs a mobility aid, just unsteady on their feet or other reasons.

The People Mover cannot be used by anyone not ambulatory or who cannot be transferred easily (or carried).

The Skyliner station at Riviera is tricky for some guests, which is why some prefer to use the CBR Hub. Something can be accessible but still difficult.

And retrospectively trying to replace the flexibility of buses would be fraught with difficulties.
 

Mr. Engagement

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
Continuously moving systems can be very difficult and scary for some people to access.
Sure. This could be said of pretty much any transportation system. Disney has addressed this in various ways, such as the roundtable and the linear conveyor belt.
Whether that’s someone who’s blind, needs a mobility aid, just unsteady on their feet or other reasons.

The People Mover cannot be used by anyone not ambulatory or who cannot be transferred easily (or carried).
Though I don't believe it's been implemented at Disney's PeopleMover installations, it is entirely possible for PeopleMover trains/cars to pull off the circuit onto a siding track, where they can be stopped completely for load/unload. This would not interfere with the continuous movement of the system.
The Skyliner station at Riviera is tricky for some guests, which is why some prefer to use the CBR Hub. Something can be accessible but still difficult.
I'm not sure what the difficulty would be. Don't Skyliner stations have siding rails where cars are stationary for load/unload?
And retrospectively trying to replace the flexibility of buses would be fraught with difficulties.
Buses are a great backup for when more innovative systems need support.
 

JIMINYCR

Well-Known Member
So if the average guest doesn’t care - why did Disney invest in the skyliner and whey do they continue to operate boat routes that aren’t necessary?
I never said they were not necessary.
They invested in the Skyliner because it would improve the transporting of guests across the resorts to the park.
You are missing my point. The average guest could care less about what Disney has for transportation. They only want to get from their resort to the parks. Whether it's a bus, a boat, or Skyliner as long as its running on time and is convenient they will take it.
 

TrainsOfDisney

Well-Known Member
You are missing my point. The average guest could care less about what Disney has for transportation. They only want to get from their resort to the parks.
Oh ok, then I simply disagree with you. I thought it was pretty much considered a fact that guests prefer non-bus transportation and that’s why most resorts offer another option to at least one destination.

(All-Stars, AKL, and Coronado are the only exceptions).

I know that I prefer the non-bus options, do you?
 

JMcMahonEsq

Well-Known Member
Oh ok, then I simply disagree with you. I thought it was pretty much considered a fact that guests prefer non-bus transportation and that’s why most resorts offer another option to at least one destination.

(All-Stars, AKL, and Coronado are the only exceptions).

I know that I prefer the non-bus options, do you?
Guests prefer (on whole) the quickest mode of transportation to/from the parks.

In some instances due to location, the non-bus transportation might be faster, and therefore preferred. But do you honestly think most guests, with the limited availability of PTO that most people have, and the costs associated with WDW are overly concerned with how they are getting to the parks vs how quickly they can get there? You think parents with kids after an 8+ hour day in the park are looking to drag out the ride back to the hotel, or looking to get back to the room and rest their feet asap?
 

Mr. Engagement

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
Admiral Joe Fowler, a steam-powered sternwheeler riverboat. WDW's original on MK's Rivers of America.

These boats don't just represent an important part of American history, they were themselves important. Disneyland's Mark Twain was the first steam-powered boat to be built in the U.S. in 50 years!

An accidental collision at the dry dock in 1980 damaged the boat's hull beyond repair.

Photo from a 1972 postcard, of a boat that no longer exists at a spot that (likely) no longer exists.
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esskay

Well-Known Member
The People Mover cannot be used by anyone not ambulatory or who cannot be transferred easily (or carried).
If it was in use as something more than an attraction it could. Granted in the single other usecase they've not done it, but as mentioned above you absolutely could have them pull off to a secondary load/unload. Heck you could install a massive long speed ramp that syncs with the ride vehicle speed and provides a whole couple of minutes loading time. It's an incredibly versatile system, it's just sadly never seen much use as in most cases something else is cheaper, which for most cases is the deciding factor.
 

TrainsOfDisney

Well-Known Member
one of the advantages of non-bus transportation is the “reveal” and arrival at the park. Arriving by boat, monorail, or skyliner gives a scenic preview and arrival experience.

The bus stops really don’t provide the same experience and of course the DAK bus arrival is probably the worst example of “bad show” on property that I can think of.
 

Mr. Engagement

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
one of the advantages of non-bus transportation is the “reveal” and arrival at the park. Arriving by boat, monorail, or skyliner gives a scenic preview and arrival experience.

The bus stops really don’t provide the same experience and of course the DAK bus arrival is probably the worst example of “bad show” on property that I can think of.
Oh, yes! One of my favorite aspects of arriving by boat and monorail!

I believe this was always very important to the original design of the parks. It's part of Walt's storytelling approach to themed areas: a guided approach (with high-visibility elements), a picturesque reveal, and then immersion into a land.

Thanks for the reminder of this beautiful experience Disney transportation can provide!
 

danlb_2000

Premium Member
one of the advantages of non-bus transportation is the “reveal” and arrival at the park. Arriving by boat, monorail, or skyliner gives a scenic preview and arrival experience.

The bus stops really don’t provide the same experience and of course the DAK bus arrival is probably the worst example of “bad show” on property that I can think of.

The other forms of transporation are cool because they are modes that most people don't experience on a day to day basis, wheras driving on a road is something almost everyone experiences.
 

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