What do you think will be the next Disney Park to be built?

[JIMINYCR]

Pure speculation on my part - Not based on fact -

Under Iger, a new Disneypark would not have been be in the the USA. If Iger is currently a "consultant", and he still has any power, then there wont be a new Disneypark in the USA.

If Josh has the power, the odds are better for the USA, but not much better I suspect.

Oh don't bet on Iger having a lack of power or say. He's still got board members in his pocket and they will give him a lot of "consultation" before making major moves. Josh at this time will be in a coasting mode feeling his way around and will be doing so for a while until he builds a more stronger position. "Major" moves as we would envision isn't solely in Josh's abilities just yet.

 

[Tom P.]

Oh don't bet on Iger having a lack of power or say. He's still got board members in his pocket and they will give him a lot of "consultation" before making major moves. Josh at this time will be in a coasting mode feeling his way around and will be doing so for a while until he builds a more stronger position. "Major" moves as we would envision isn't solely in Josh's abilities just yet.

For a period of time, yes. Well, even publicly, Iger is still employed in a consultant role until the end of the year, so of course he is being consulted right now. But that won't last forever. There will come a point at which Iger's pull dissipates and Josh is really running the show by himself.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

For a period of time, yes. Well, even publicly, Iger is still employed in a consultant role until the end of the year, so of course he is being consulted right now. But that won't last forever. There will come a point at which Iger's pull dissipates and Josh is really running the show by himself.

He appointed the board

Full stop right there

 

[Mr. Sullivan]

Not the place for it…but can’t not say this:

Those movies did significant damage to an iconic franchise that has generated hundred of billions of dollars in ancillary sales/tie ins…

Too pooch them is not a “minor” mistake by any reasonable definition

Not back to fake/unnecessary new parks

To take that one step further, and to tie it back into the parks, the fact that Disney has had to back away from their insistence that Galaxy's Edge be "all sequel trilogy, all the time" and has had to go back to the original trilogy for GE is further proof of just how bad Disney screwed things up.

I’ll just leave at I think what happened with the sequels was mostly the audience’s fault. But if we wanna discuss that further, we probably ought to find a new thread or take it to PMs.

 

[networkpro]

So a little observation on the topic of where the next Disney park will be... At what point will the Disney physical theme market become saturated ?

 

[Chef Mickey]

Shanghai is absolutely getting a second gate. The rest are all either up in the air (Abu Dhabi) or flat out fantasy (the rest). But Shanghai second gate is a certainty.

Not anything to the level of a fifth gate.

The Acolyte alone was $230M wasted and Disney+ has lost billions.

They also spent billions on an App.

We could have had a 5th gate instead of bad content and an app.

 

[Tom P.]

I’ll just leave at I think what happened with the sequels was mostly the audience’s fault.

No.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I’ll just leave at I think what happened with the sequels was mostly the audience’s fault. But if we wanna discuss that further, we probably ought to find a new thread or take it to PMs.

My god…

My man…I’m trying not to age discriminate…but no one north of 30 has ever tried for this excuse in the social media trash-o-sphere

They were so bad. Not just as not comping to the OT and the four guys in my mom’s basement…but in their own in a vacuum .

There was nothing. Bad on all levels

You cannot blame the audience for them dying and collapsing even before the third one hatched.

It’s not that people didn’t see them…like the marvels. They were just so bad that they’ve been lit up ever since.

I can’t…I won’t drive home how bad they messed this up…If you don’t give really bad excuses that have no foundation.

Deal?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I’m done with Star Wars…we can do the same sorry dance on this forever…it’s at best an 80/20 issue.

Back to park hypotheticals

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

So a little observation on the topic of where the next Disney park will be... At what point will the Disney physical theme market become saturated ?

I only see China as a legit option as the landscape looks today

And the markets are saturated in Europe and the US…they’ve crossed the pricing barrier where they can make profit with the customer pool relative to the overhead.

But that gets all “pragmatic” and stuff

 

[Tom P.]

I only see China as a legit option as the landscape looks today

And the markets are saturated in Europe and the US…they’ve crossed the pricing barrier where they can make profit with the customer pool relative to the overhead.

But that gets all “pragmatic” and stuff

Just pure discussion fodder, not that I think it will happen, but you see any market for a park somewhere in the middle of the country? The US is huge and Florida and California are still a long way away from many people.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Just pure discussion fodder, not that I think it will happen, but you see any market for a park somewhere in the middle of the country? The US is huge and Florida and California are still a long way away from many people.

I don’t

Because they would draw 100% of their clientele from people that gravitate to one of the coasts already.

Travel isn’t a “barrier” like it was in 55 or 71…
Short flights.

I am interested in universals little Texas experiment…but don’t see that Kinda thing as a Disney fit. They’re too overhead heavy…and regionals are constantly in danger of collapse. The markets for that is in decline if you looked at the Numbers

 

[Tom P.]

FWIW, for those concerned about the topic detour, for me the Star Wars discussion is directly intertwined with the discussion about the parks. It started as a way to illustrate very bad decisions sometimes made by Disney. Galaxy's Edge and Galatic Starcruiser are solid in-park examples of how Disney's Star Wars strategy has caused them problems in the parks. And Star Wars is one of their biggest IP's that would no doubt factor into future park expansion plans.

I understand that this thread is not the place for a deep dive discussion on a particular film. But, let's face it, what Disney has done with Star Wars ripples throughout the company, including having a major impact on the parks and leaving a significant issue for D'Amaro to deal with.

 

[networkpro]

I just wiped out along diatribe and will just leave it with Disney has implemented some wonderful new areas such as Shanghai Zootopia but also has done quite a few 'Rooster wearing socks' not well thought out new or rethemed areas/overlays.

 

[Tom P.]

I just wiped out along diatribe and will just leave it with Disney has implemented some wonderful new areas such as Shanghai Zootopia but also has done quite a few 'Rooster wearing socks' not well thought out new or rethemed areas/overlays.

Oh, c'mon. You know people have been clamoring for a "rooster wearing socks" e-ticket for years!

 

[JIMINYCR]

For a period of time, yes. Well, even publicly, Iger is still employed in a consultant role until the end of the year, so of course he is being consulted right now. But that won't last forever. There will come a point at which Iger's pull dissipates and Josh is really running the show by himself.

Of course his power and influence will dissipate over time. We are talking now and in the near future as to what effect or lack of such Josh has. Iger will call the shots for while and Josh is subservient.

 

[Mr. Sullivan]

I am interested in universals little Texas experiment…but don’t see that Kinda thing as a Disney fit. They’re too overhead heavy…and regionals are constantly in danger of collapse. The markets for that is in decline if you looked at the Numbers

I am and interested in it too and to be honest I think this is going to work out for Universal (generally) but for one critical reason that would if Disney were to do the same it would not work for them: Universal Kids Resort is meant to be an appetizer park. It's function is to basically create a fanbase for the Universal brand so that those kids grow up and want to go to the "big kid" parks in Florida (and California I suppose, but Florida is who is gonna benefit from this).

Universal recognized a long time ago that their parks are just never going to be the draw for families with young kids that Disney is, and so they've never really used space in their existing parks to pull that market in. But they've also I think seen over the decades what brand loyalty that starts in childhood can do longterm. The problem they faced then was that they couldn't start bringing in child soon-to-be loyalists via their existing parks because those parks are not overly kid friendly. Disney still had that market on lockdown.

So what do you do? Well, you build a park just for those little kids. Those kids are going to go this park, love it, and then when they're older, they will graduate to going to Universal Orlando Resort. This is Universal's way of trying to take some of the little kid audience that Disney has kept mostly under lock and key, likely in hopes of creating the same kind of loyal, repeat customers that Disney's made a killing off of.

Disney on the other hand could not be successful by going to the middle of the country because they're not hunting for a new demographic of visitor. They already have pulled in every major category for decades. All that going to the mid-west or Texas would do is take visitors away from Disneyland and Disney World.

 

[JMcMahonEsq]

I am and interested in it too and to be honest I think this is going to work out for Universal (generally) but for one critical reason that would if Disney were to do the same it would not work for them: Universal Kids Resort is meant to be an appetizer park. It's function is to basically create a fanbase for the Universal brand so that those kids grow up and want to go to the "big kid" parks in Florida (and California I suppose, but Florida is who is gonna benefit from this).

Universal recognized a long time ago that their parks are just never going to be the draw for families with young kids that Disney is, and so they've never really used space in their existing parks to pull that market in. But they've also I think seen over the decades what brand loyalty that starts in childhood can do longterm. The problem they faced then was that they couldn't start bringing in child soon-to-be loyalists via their existing parks because those parks are not overly kid friendly. Disney still had that market on lockdown.

So what do you do? Well, you build a park just for those little kids. Those kids are going to go this park, love it, and then when they're older, they will graduate to going to Universal Orlando Resort. This is Universal's way of trying to take some of the little kid audience that Disney has kept mostly under lock and key, likely in hopes of creating the same kind of loyal, repeat customers that Disney's made a killing off of.

Disney on the other hand could not be successful by going to the middle of the country because they're not hunting for a new demographic of visitor. They already have pulled in every major category for decades. All that going to the mid-west or Texas would do is take visitors away from Disneyland and Disney World.

I can see that thought process in theory. I just wonder does a single park in Frisco Texas have enough broad draw to serve as that starter park for anything but a smaller geographic area. I mean sure people from Dallas are driving up, maybe you get people from other areas of Texas, Oklahoma. But are families from the money coasts flying out to Frisco Texas for a week long vacation just for this park?