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News Star Wars: Galaxy's Edge - Historical Construction/Impressions

Disney Irish

Premium Member
No, I don't think this is the situation. They have a serious problem in SWGE. It's a 14 acre land that is totally underperforming. It has one great attraction and another attraction that can't attract enough crowd to go toe to toe with rides built decades ago, even though it almost certainly cost hundreds of millions of dollars and opened recently. The walkways are often empty, and the land is not absorbing crowds as it needs to.

And I don't think TL or DLF happens until they can make this work. That is why they are spending tens of millions (I'd guess) on revamping Smuggler's Run, and why they're doing the whole changing the timeline thing. These are signs, clear as day, they know they have a big problem that has to get fixed. SWGE was supposed to have three attractions. This isn't fans' wishful thinking, this is us discussing an obvious situation going on where there is transparency between Disney and fans as to the problem, and the remedy. And the only question is timing.
So tell me where the actual rumor is and maybe I'll believe it. Right now this is just wishful thinking and trying to line up current actions with a potential future. If they come and announce something at D23 I'll come back and apologize and say I was wrong. But right now there isn't even a rumor. This is posters speculating right now.

Also its a far far cry to add a mission to Smugglers Run (an attraction that was always billed as having multiple missions added to it btw) to saying that they are adding a 3rd attraction. For all we know they will add the Mando/Grogu mission change the timeline and see wait times increase and say "good job" and be done. We don't know, so its fun to speculate, but lets not play like there is some actionable rumor here.

Dude, its a joke.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
No I believed it because it sounded plausible and he seemed believable. Not sure how a random person on the internet can seem more trustworthy? What would you like, written confirmation and signatures from Disney? He might have gotten wind of a rumor decided to share it and bounce. Maybe he didn’t like where it was heading or was scared of losing the trust of his source. Anyway, we all know Iger himself could come tell you something and you wouldn’t believe it. A couple months ago we had multiple sources/ regular posters here who had all received inside info on how the parks are handling Dr Facilier and you didn’t want to believe them either until finally you started to give in slowly. Was I wrong about that? Or did I just “believe it because it lined up with my own ideas?” Maybe I just got lucky on that one.
Anything sounds plausible when you like how it sounds and it lines up with your desires for something. I could say I heard they are dropping the Tiana theme and adding in a new modern take on the Brer story and you'd probably say that sounds plausible too.

With regards to Facilier, once we had actionable proof about Facilier beyond just "trust me bro" I came around to believing much of the information. Right now there is nothing, zero, zilch, no information about a 3rd attraction. You started this whole current discussion by posting "too bad they didn't create the land with a coaster", and its morphed into this "well they're gonna add a 3rd attraction". Sorry but that isn't rumor, that is speculation and hope with a little bit of imagineering thrown in for good measure.
 

mickEblu

Well-Known Member
Anything sounds plausible when you like how it sounds and it lines up with your desires for something. I could say I heard they are dropping the Tiana theme and adding in a new modern take on the Brer story and you'd probably say that sounds plausible too.

With regards to Facilier, once we had actionable proof about Facilier beyond just "trust me bro" I came around to believing much of the information. Right now there is nothing, zero, zilch, no information about a 3rd attraction. You started this whole current discussion by posting "too bad they didn't create the land with a coaster", and its morphed into this "well they're gonna add a 3rd attraction". Sorry but that isn't rumor, that is speculation and hope.

Ok so if I understand correctly what you re saying is that I came to the correct conclusion on Facilier years before we had proof (with you disagreeing with me along the way) and you needed the proof. And yet you’re here telling me that I only believed the GE expansion rumors because they lined up with my ideas? Lol. Give me some credit man. I’ve never seen someone take so many L’s and remain this confident. A true talent!
 
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Disney Irish

Premium Member
Ok so if I understand correctly what you re saying is that I came to the correct conclusion on Facilier years before we had proof (with you disagreeing with me all along the way) and you needed the proof. And yet you’re here telling me that I believed the GE expansion rumors because they lined up with my ideas? Lol
Lol, just because you believe something doesn't mean I have to. Also just because you got some of the Facilier stuff correct (still waiting for him to be added to the attraction, don't know if that is ever coming or not) doesn't mean all your conclusions about everything are correct.

Basically if you want to believe there is going to be some GE expansion with a coaster as the 3rd attraction or whatever else that's cool. But that doesn't mean its actually true or that I or anyone else should believe it. Call it rumor, call it you drawing conclusions, call it whatever you want, its still all speculation until otherwise shown. Its fun to talk about, and I join in as you can see, but its still just speculation. So care on and continue talking about.
 

mickEblu

Well-Known Member
Lol, just because you believe something doesn't mean I have to. Also just because you got some of the Facilier stuff correct (still waiting for him to be added to the attraction, don't know if that is ever coming or not) doesn't mean all your conclusions about everything are correct.

Basically if you want to believe there is going to be some GE expansion with a coaster as the 3rd attraction or whatever else that's cool. But that doesn't mean its actually true or that I or anyone else should believe it. Call it rumor, call it you drawing conclusions, call it whatever you want, its still all speculation until otherwise shown.

Point being give me more credit than that and you don’t really have a leg to stand on.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
Point being give me more credit than that and you don’t really have a leg to stand on.
More credit for what? I've given you credit when you've been correct on things, even though you claim I don't.

Also "leg to stand on", in what regards? Last I checked neither of us are insiders, so in that regard neither of us have a "leg to stand on". Every poster here can draw conclusions on things, some right some wrong. As I've told you before, and I've kept in my signature, this is a theme park forum not a competition there are no winners and losers.
 

DrStarlander

Well-Known Member
So tell me where the actual rumor is and maybe I'll believe it
I think it's fairly well established that a third attraction was intended for SWGE. Are you doubting that? That's the info to work from. The land (the 14 acres and amenities) is designed and intended to be a three-attraction land. No surprise, it's 14 acres. That's all the info that's necessary to know.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
I think it's fairly well established that a third attraction was intended for SWGE. Are you doubting that? That's the info to work from. The land (the 14 acres and amenities) is designed and intended to be a three-attraction land. No surprise, it's 14 acres. That's all the info that's necessary to know.
The third attraction was a people mover style Bantha attraction not a coaster or even a dark ride. Both it and the themed restaurant were cut early on.

So just because it was intended to have a third attraction doesn't mean there is one in active development or even rumored to be considered to be added.
 

DrStarlander

Well-Known Member
The third attraction was a people mover style Bantha attraction not a coaster or even a dark ride. Both it and the themed restaurant were cut early on.
Yeah, but programmatically the land is designed and intended to have three attractions. They can swap the specific attraction, whatever. It's just about the capacity numbers and the purpose of the land is to warehouse enough guests.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
So just because it was intended to have a third attraction doesn't mean there is one in active development or even rumored to be considered to be added.
You missed the rest of the post -

So just because it was intended to have a third attraction doesn't mean there is one in active development or even rumored to be considered to be added.

We could be sitting here 10 years from now still talking about this "potential" third attraction and where it should go.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
Yeah, but programmatically the land is designed and intended to have three attractions. They can swap the specific attraction, whatever. It's just about the capacity numbers and the purpose of the land is to warehouse enough guests.
Also will add that TL was designed and intended to have multiple layers of attractions, and we've seen what has happened there.

So just because something is intended and designed to do something doesn't mean that intention is actually executed on.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
But anyways, don't let me stop the speculation. I was just saying that in my opinion I don't think a 3rd attraction is coming at this point. My speculation is that TL gets done first, and maybe even beginning on DLForward, before they come back and consider adding a 3rd attraction in 10-15 years.

For now I think they do will like they've done with ST and add new missions to Smugglers Run as a way to keep things "fresh", along with the expanding the timeline.
 

britain

Well-Known Member
I have a feeling there won’t be any third attraction for galaxy’s edge until there is a Force Awakens level rebirth for the franchise. If it’s just moderate to high Mandalorian style successes, those may inform decent overlays, but they’re not gonna invest in a new build until there is an undeniably successful new set of films clearly loved by fans for the 3rd attraction to be based on.

That seems like a tall order right now, but it will probably happen at some point over the next 2 decades.
 

mickEblu

Well-Known Member
More credit for what? I've given you credit when you've been correct on things, even though you claim I don't.

Also "leg to stand on", in what regards? Last I checked neither of us are insiders, so in that regard neither of us have a "leg to stand on". Every poster here can draw conclusions on things, some right some wrong. As I've told you before, and I've kept in my signature, this is a theme park forum not a competition there are no winners and losers.

lol ok well when you say that I only believed something because It lined up with my beliefs isn’t giving credit. Makes someone sound foolish. Besides I’m not even sure if I’d green light a GE expansion in that area as I love the theming in that nook of Critter Country.
 

mickEblu

Well-Known Member
I have a feeling there won’t be any third attraction for galaxy’s edge until there is a Force Awakens level rebirth for the franchise. If it’s just moderate to high Mandalorian style successes, those may inform decent overlays, but they’re not gonna invest in a new build until there is an undeniably successful new set of films clearly loved by fans for the 3rd attraction to be based on.

That seems like a tall order right now, but it will probably happen at some point over the next 2 decades.

Im not sure it will happen either but I believe it was discussed. Particularly for the Pooh area.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
lol ok well when you say that I only believed something because It lined up with my beliefs isn’t giving credit. Makes someone sound foolish. Besides I’m not even sure if I’d green light a GE expansion in that area as I love the theming in that nook of Critter Country.
My point was that you had already pitched the idea here of using the pooh area for an expansion before that poster even showed up, so when they did it sounded plausible to you because you already concluded that was prime expansion area they should be using. Its not to take anything away from your conclusions, just that it lined up with something you already concluded they should do. Like I said its confirmation bias, not anything bad, we all like to have our opinions and conclusion confirmed by others.
 

britain

Well-Known Member
From the WDW Piston Peak thread, so not quite applicable here but… interesting.

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Phroobar

Well-Known Member
I have a feeling there won’t be any third attraction for galaxy’s edge until there is a Force Awakens level rebirth for the franchise.
There doesn't need to be any successful film before they will build something new. Any additional ride will be popular to the guests. Marvel hasn't been popular since End Game yet is getting two new rides. The success of a movies doesn't mean a new ride. That model doesn't apply anymore.
 

DrStarlander

Well-Known Member
So just because it was intended to have a third attraction doesn't mean there is one in active development or even rumored to be considered to be added.

We could be sitting here 10 years from now still talking about this "potential" third attraction and where it should go.
Who is claiming it's in active development or rumored? Your inventing straw-man conditions I never asserted and then arguing against them.

Of course we'll be sitting here 10 years from now without a third attraction in SWGE. We may disagree but we're not idiots. 🤣 It could take Disney four years to put a churro cart out there. As Disney park fans, we know that process -- Disney knowing there's a problem and designing and building something to fix it -- is typically measured in decades.

Also its a far far cry to add a mission to Smugglers Run (an attraction that was always billed as having multiple missions added to it btw) to saying that they are adding a 3rd attraction. For all we know they will add the Mando/Grogu mission change the timeline and see wait times increase and say "good job" and be done. We don't know, so its fun to speculate, but lets not play like there is some actionable rumor here.
And yet, though usually they take forever to do things, the speed with which they are adding the new content to Smuggler's Run is noteworthy. Disney has many attractions that are platforms for changeable content -- Soarin' has had one swap in 25 years even with DCA being a park in perpetual crisis. On that note, I'm still waiting for new games on Toy Story Midway Mania or a holiday overlay, etc. So the fact they initiated more SR expenditures in under 5 years is noteworthy. It's indicative of the significant level of underperformance at SWGE. And while that may fix things (and yes, I'm sure they will "wait and see" how the updates are affecting wait times, foot-traffic and retail/F&B sales), I don't expect the SR update is going to move the needle enough, after an initial phase of newness-interest.

But to correct you, I'm not saying they are adding a third attraction, now. I'm saying I suspect it will get a third attraction before they spend a billion on TL or DLF because, as many have pointed out, TL is functioning just fine.

(By the way, you have put out timelines about how soon Disney will be expanding DCA into DLF without there being any rumors or knowledge it's in active development.
it will begin within the next 5-10 years
Fan wishful thinking?)

Also will add that TL was designed and intended to have multiple layers of attractions, and we've seen what has happened there.
I have no idea what you're point is. Tomorrowland has 7 attractions in 17 acres, or 2.4 acres per attraction. SWGE is 6.5 acres per attraction. And that's with Tomorrowland closing several attractions (it's decades old). I don't see any lessons in a comparison between SWGE and 70-year-old Tomorrowland when talking about whether SWGE will get a third attraction. I think comparisons to Avenger's Campus (currently getting 2 more attractions) or Toontown (recently got another new attraction) are more appropriate.

There doesn't need to be any successful film before they will build something new. Any additional ride will be popular to the guests. Marvel hasn't been popular since End Game yet is getting two new rides. The success of a movies doesn't mean a new ride. That model doesn't apply anymore.
I very much agree with this. And the fact that the new timeline is Original Trilogy (not "we've thrown out timelines altogether") suggests that new movie/TV content is not expected to be driving SWGE's future.
 
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mickEblu

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I very much agree with this. And the fact that the new timeline is Original Trilogy (not "we've thrown out timelines altogether") suggests that new movie/TV content is not expected to be driving SWGE's future

Yeah if the lesson learned was “they want the old stuff” I don’t see why new content/ interest would be the driver of investment. Perhaps they’d need that kick in the @$$ to develop an entire new Star Wars land as part of DL forward but I don’t imagine for something as small as a potential third attraction at the existing land they are actively trying to get more OT into. I think nearly 50 years of being arguably the most popular IP of all time should be enough.
 
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