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News Star Wars: Galaxy's Edge - Historical Construction/Impressions

britain

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Yeah if the lesson learned was “they want the old stuff” I don’t see why new content/ interest would be the driver of investment. Perhaps they’d need that kick in the @$$ to develop an entire new Star Wars land as part of DL forward but I don’t imagine for something as small as a potential third attraction at the existing land they are actively trying to get more OT into. I think nearly 50 years of being arguably the most popular IP of all time should be enough.
I actually look at that as evidence supporting my assertion. They are kicking themselves over their land being so dependent upon a trilogy that started promising but ended up being divisive among fans.

They are treading water now with the OT enhancements, but they won't make substantial investments until they have a set of films (ie. a COMPLETED new trilogy) that everybody loves. And the timelines of other projects (Avatar, Disneyland Forward) fits with this plan just fine. SWGE won't need a substantial investment until 10 more years have past. During that time a new set of films with new beloved characters might exist. If not, then they can continue to tread water with the land until new successful films come along, or they could do some new attraction that's OT related.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
Who is claiming it's in active development or rumored? Your inventing straw-man conditions I never asserted and then arguing against them.

Of course we'll be sitting here 10 years from now without a third attraction in SWGE. We may disagree but we're not idiots. 🤣 It could take Disney four years to put a churro cart out there. As Disney park fans, we know that process -- Disney knowing there's a problem and designing and building something to fix it -- is typically measured in decades.
Got it, so speculation, and your favorite past time of armchair imagineering because you think they should or could be doing something. ;)

And yet, though usually they take forever to do things, the speed with which they are adding the new content to Smuggler's Run is noteworthy. Disney has many attractions that are platforms for changeable content -- Soarin' has had one swap in 25 years even with DCA being a park in perpetual crisis. On that note, I'm still waiting for new games on Toy Story Midway Mania or a holiday overlay, etc. So the fact they initiated more SR expenditures in under 5 years is noteworthy. It's indicative of the significant level of underperformance at SWGE. And while that may fix things (and yes, I'm sure they will "wait and see" how the updates are affecting wait times, foot-traffic and retail/F&B sales), I don't expect the SR update is going to move the needle enough, after an initial phase of newness-interest.
And how many times have they added new content to ST over the last 25 years? 5-10 times? Maybe more? Just because X is happening faster than Y doesn't mean Z is on the horizon. Correlation is not causation.

Also they did add content to TSMM for the 70th, so while maybe not what you expected it does show they are still aware that TSMM can and should get updates.

But to correct you, I'm not saying they are adding a third attraction, now. I'm saying I suspect it will get a third attraction before they spend a billion on TL or DLF because, as many have pointed out, TL is functioning just fine.
Yeah I wouldn't take that bet. As said previously we already know that they have be just hours on multiple occasions to pulling the trigger on announcing a TL redo at different D23s and last minute that pulled the announcement. So that means they are and have been in active development in trying to redo TL. So that is completely different than what is happening here. And many suspect that the 75th is the perfect opportunity for a new TL and that this D23 coming up in August is finally when it'll get announced.

(By the way, you have put out timelines about how soon Disney will be expanding DCA into DLF without there being any rumors or knowledge it's in active development.

Fan wishful thinking?)
Actually there is active development and rumors happening about DCA expanding for DLForward now, this has been discussed in the Coco and DLForward threads (some of which you've been involved in btw). But yes my "timeline" is speculation on my part, never claimed it wasn't.

I have no idea what you're point is. Tomorrowland has 7 attractions in 17 acres, or 2.4 acres per attraction. SWGE is 6.5 acres per attraction. And that's with Tomorrowland closing several attractions (it's decades old). I don't see any lessons in a comparison between SWGE and 70-year-old Tomorrowland when talking about whether SWGE will get a third attraction. I think comparisons to Avenger's Campus (currently getting 2 more attractions) or Toontown (recently got another new attraction) are more appropriate.
My point is that TL was intended and designed to be a land with more attractions on multiple levels of the land, and yet they have either removed or shuttered any of that potential and let it sit for over 30 years. So just because GE was intended to have a 3rd attraction doesn't mean it will ever get one. TL has shown that intention doesn't mean execution. So just because you and few others here think that GE should get a 3rd attraction doesn't mean that Disney feels the same way or even have a time frame set in mind.
 

britain

Well-Known Member
Another one of those patent images - perhaps even more applicable to some sort of Star Wars attraction:

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mickEblu

Well-Known Member
I actually look at that as evidence supporting my assertion. They are kicking themselves over their land being so dependent upon a trilogy that started promising but ended up being divisive among fans.

They are treading water now with the OT enhancements, but they won't make substantial investments until they have a set of films (ie. a COMPLETED new trilogy) that everybody loves. And the timelines of other projects (Avatar, Disneyland Forward) fits with this plan just fine. SWGE won't need a substantial investment until 10 more years have past. During that time a new set of films with new beloved characters might exist. If not, then they can continue to tread water with the land until new successful films come along, or they could do some new attraction that's OT related.

So you re saying an OT attraction would only come after another failed experiment? What’s the saying? Fool me once…?
 

britain

Well-Known Member
So you re saying an OT attraction would only come after another failed experiment? What’s the saying? Fool me once…?
Pretty much. It all depends on what D’maro is expecting out of Filoni. If he thinks the future will consist of an ever increasing universe of characters, then they might want to wait and see if any new characters become as popular as the original OT characters. (Mando and Baby Yoda sure came close. Same with BB8.)

But if they think Star Wars is more or less a legacy franchise now, then they will begin “evergreen” measures and begin using Luke, Han, Leia and Vader more like they use Mickey and the rest of the fab five.
 

Gusey

Well-Known Member
And yet, though usually they take forever to do things, the speed with which they are adding the new content to Smuggler's Run is noteworthy. Disney has many attractions that are platforms for changeable content -- Soarin' has had one swap in 25 years even with DCA being a park in perpetual crisis. On that note, I'm still waiting for new games on Toy Story Midway Mania or a holiday overlay, etc. So the fact they initiated more SR expenditures in under 5 years is noteworthy. It's indicative of the significant level of underperformance at SWGE. And while that may fix things (and yes, I'm sure they will "wait and see" how the updates are affecting wait times, foot-traffic and retail/F&B sales), I don't expect the SR update is going to move the needle enough, after an initial phase of newness-interest.
Sorry to be pedantic, but:
  • Soarin has had an update nearly every ten years: Soarin around the World in 2016 and Soarin Across America in 2026
  • Toy Story Mania received an update within 2 years for Toy Story 3 when they replaced Bo-Peep's Baaaa-loon Pop with Rex's & Trixie's Dino Darts. It also received a minor up date for the 70th at DCA
  • Smuggler's Run has been open since 2019, so its getting its first update 7 years later, not under 5
 

mickEblu

Well-Known Member
Pretty much. It all depends on what D’maro is expecting out of Filoni. If he thinks the future will consist of an ever increasing universe of characters, then they might want to wait and see if any new characters become as popular as the original OT characters. (Mando and Baby Yoda sure came close. Same with BB8.)

But if they think Star Wars is more or less a legacy franchise now, then they will begin “evergreen” measures and begin using Luke, Han, Leia and Vader more like they use Mickey and the rest of the fab five.

Well D’amaro if you’re listening, I can save you billions of dollars. Build a Star Wars coaster, add some Star Wars music and characters / settings from the OT. No need for another failed experiment.
 

DrStarlander

Well-Known Member
Got it, so speculation, and your favorite past time of armchair imagineering because you think they should or could be doing something. ;)
Armchair Imagineering? You explicitly asked what a X-Wing coaster would be like. Otherwise, we've discussed the feasibility of the several obvious ride systems and obvious vehicles/themes that Star Wars offers and you've participated the whole time.
And how many times have they added new content to ST over the last 25 years? 5-10 times? Maybe more? Just because X is happening faster than Y doesn't mean Z is on the horizon. Correlation is not causation.
Yeah but it was like 23 years before they changed it for the first time, right?
Also they did add content to TSMM for the 70th, so while maybe not what you expected it does show they are still aware that TSMM can and should get updates.
Toy Story Mania received an update within 2 years for Toy Story 3 when they replaced Bo-Peep's Baaaa-loon Pop with Rex's & Trixie's Dino Darts. It also received a minor up date for the 70th at DCA
My understanding is they changed one game for TS3. And the 70th changes were around scoring numbers. Correct me if wrong. These are not substantial changes (on par with SR) within an attraction that is entirely digital content.
Actually there is active development and rumors happening about DCA expanding for DLForward now, this has been discussed in the Coco and DLForward threads (some of which you've been involved in btw).
What are the active rumors from actual sources about DCA's DLF future? IPs, ride systems, what have we heard and from whom?
TL has shown that intention doesn't mean execution.
Obviously. Welcome to human existence.
So just because you and few others here think that GE should get a 3rd attraction doesn't mean that Disney feels the same way or even have a time frame set in mind.
No, it's not that we think it should get a 3rd attraction, it's that Disney knows it's missing a third attraction. The ride they were working on didn't pan out, maybe capacity, maybe creatively/aesthetically, maybe budget (just like the original incarnation of Infinity Defense didn't pan out...so we're getting something else, later).
Soarin has had an update nearly every ten years: Soarin around the World in 2016 and Soarin Across America in 2026
How does 2016-2001=10?
Smuggler's Run has been open since 2019, so its getting its first update 7 years later, not under 5
As you can see in what I said:
So the fact they initiated more SR expenditures in under 5 years is noteworthy.
I'm referring to the timeline in which Disney identified they had a problem, discussed, did creative, convinced executives, obtained funding in 5 years.
 

Professortango1

Well-Known Member
Lol. That doesn’t move the needle though and it’s only one month a year.
They can run that as long and as often as they'd like. They had it run for years previously. And its basically what we would get with a Star Wars space coaster. I don't need Disney to spend hundreds of billions on a big ugly show building to get a slightly better version of a ride we already have. If they bring back the glowing orange orb, our SM would have physical asteroids AND an imposing Death Star-like physical object. That's twice as many set pieces as Cosmic Rewind.
 

mickEblu

Well-Known Member
They can run that as long and as often as they'd like. They had it run for years previously. And its basically what we would get with a Star Wars space coaster. I don't need Disney to spend hundreds of billions on a big ugly show building to get a slightly better version of a ride we already have. If they bring back the glowing orange orb, our SM would have physical asteroids AND an imposing Death Star-like physical object. That's twice as many set pieces as Cosmic Rewind.

I didn’t say X Wing coaster. I said Star Wars coaster.
 

Professortango1

Well-Known Member
I didn’t say X Wing coaster. I said Star Wars coaster.
Gotcha. So a speeder/Hagrid's coaster?

Me? I think Disneyland has plenty of Star Wars E-Tickets between Star Tours, Hyperspace Mountain, Smuggler's Run, and Rise of the Resistance. Just fix the land with interactive elements and a few shows and then I'm good. If they can put in a kinetic ride to GE, that's a win; as long as it doesn't take away space from shows and land interaction.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
Armchair Imagineering? You explicitly asked what a X-Wing coaster would be like. Otherwise, we've discussed the feasibility of the several obvious ride systems and obvious vehicles/themes that Star Wars offers and you've participated the whole time.
I had asked that after the discussion had already started and had been going on for a few pages, and I was being sarcastic. I had also gave reasons why I thought an X-Wing coaster wouldn't work, which others also agreed.

And yes as discussed before anything that gets into "this is what I would do" or "this is what Disney should do" is in that grey area of armchair imagineering.

Yeah but it was like 23 years before they changed it for the first time, right?
And? You're so stuck on this "hey they are doing this faster than they had previously so it must mean something". The initial changes to ST is what spawned the eventual purchase of LucasFilms and the eventual expansion of SW in the Disney Parks. So just because it took them 2 decades to add more scenes to ST isn't any indication of anything other than it took them 2 decades to make the initial change.

The point was that they have added things to ST and it has been going on regularly for 15 years now. So the fact that 7 years in they are now adding new missions to Smugglers Run should actually be seen as Disney being slower with new additions here than at any point in the last 15 years.

But hey if you want to think that them waiting 7 years and now adding new missions is actually quick and now indication that they have future plans for a 3rd attraction be my guest. I'll be here waiting for other updates that we all speculated on over the last decade or more that still haven't materialized.

My understanding is they changed one game for TS3. And the 70th changes were around scoring numbers. Correct me if wrong. These are not substantial changes (on par with SR) within an attraction that is entirely digital content.
So its still changes are they not? It still cost money right? Which is the point, you use TSMM as an example of them "not doing something" and yet they have updated it now multiple times. Its just not what YOU would consider "substantial changes", when to Disney it was marketed as updates to the attraction.

What are the active rumors from actual sources about DCA's DLF future? IPs, ride systems, what have we heard and from whom?
How about the fact that prep work is being done along DL Dr right now in anticipation for the eventual move into Simba, that isn't even rumor, that is shovels in the ground actual work happening right now today. You even speculated that the new fencing they are putting up right now could be just temporary and could be changed out for a retaining wall for the eventual bridge for DLForward, and that was just yesterday when you said that.

Obviously. Welcome to human existence.
And welcome to the way Disney does things. There is never any rhyme or reason to it that we see. You think X is happening and that is leading to Y, when all along Disney is doing E, H and K because they have other thoughts on how they want to maintain their Parks that don't line up with anyone here.

No, it's not that we think it should get a 3rd attraction, it's that Disney knows it's missing a third attraction. The ride they were working on didn't pan out, maybe capacity, maybe creatively/aesthetically, maybe budget (just like the original incarnation of Infinity Defense didn't pan out...so we're getting something else, later).
And TL is missing something like 3 attractions and Disney knows they are missing, whats your point? Tweaks to existing lands and attractions happen all the time. Doesn't mean that they are going to fund a multi-million dollar new 3rd attraction. Especially when other parts of the Park have more pressing needs.
 

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