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New Tomorrowland @ Disneyland? Is this the year it finally gets announced? No, and that’s OK

coffeefan

coffeefan

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PiratesMansion said:
They'll be like "great! Permanent Hyperspace Mountain!" :rolleyes:
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Next year is the Star Wars 70th celebration, and Disney wants to go big. So I could see it sticking around for a year haha.

PiratesMansion said:
Hong Kong's has been "upgraded" too.

I have to imagine this upgrade will happen. It's an easy win for a year where they don't have much else going on and/or they need to counterbalance the bigger additions going into DCA. And the ride is clearly less popular than it used to be, LL or not.

Hopefully. I do worry, though, that the more intertwined nature of DL's Tomorrowland when compared to subsequent lands might make a full redo a bit more complicated than the other parks.
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I hope they direct that funding towards an attraction that's not in Tomorrowland (since we all anticipate an eventual retheme). GE could use something or an upgrade to Pooh.
 
TomorrowlandWall

TomorrowlandWall

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But what do we mean when we say retheme? A new paint job? How many rides should be changed or reskinned? Should the land be rebuilt?

But that all has to start somewhere. I just don’t see Disney closing the whole land for 3-4 years and spending the necessary $500+ on a full rebuild of most of the land. This is something that will probably be done over time with capacity offsetting that will keep park ops happy.

Yes I think there will be a grand vision of the future, but we will see only one building transform at a time.

- A Star Tours Replacement

- A Buzz Lightyear Astro Blasters Replacement

- A New thrill ride to offset Space Mountain (Lightcycle rumor)

The only thing I want to note here is that if the peoplemover isn't in the cards, Tomorrowland deserves a high capacity darkride. If the Launch Bay Building and Pizza Planet get demolished as part of re-engineering the land, I hope there is room to integrate a small show building. Just spit ballin here. As we do in the Tomorrowland thread.

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TP2000

TP2000

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coffeefan said:
Next year is the Star Wars 70th celebration, and Disney wants to go big.
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You just scared the crap out of me. I thought... "Star Wars is going to be 70? Dammit, how old does that make me?!?"

But you meant to say Star Wars is 50. And so I stopped looking for my driver's license. :rolleyes:

I remember seeing Star Wars in '77 quite well. It's one of those things that sticks with you, because it was such a big deal. I remember the people I went with (Penny and Roger, son of Senator Percy, plus another friend of theirs). I remember we piled into their friends giant Cadillac De Ville to go to the show, white with a black vinyl roof. An overcast but warm summer evening. I remember we waited in a long line on the sidewalk at the Cinerama Theater in downtown Seattle to buy tickets, watching the monorail go by every few minutes as we inched along. Then we had a few hours to kill until our showtime so we went up the street to the Westin Hotel and camped out in their lobby cocktail lounge to wait. Then we saw the movie, and it was incredible. Penny & Roger had already seen it, and insisted I see it because they wanted to see it again, and the rest is history.

coffeefan said:
I hope they direct that funding towards an attraction that's not in Tomorrowland (since we all anticipate an eventual retheme). GE could use something or an upgrade to Pooh.
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It's a shame they gave up on that Bantha ride around the land they had planned, before Chapek killed it. Miceage had a full map of the route, mostly at an upper level, and some of it still exists in the current land layout.

I wonder if they could wedge it back in there, a decade later? It couldn't hurt. Star Wars Land kind of fell flat for them, even with Ky'le From Tustin bringing his story to life for us, and talking of keg parties on a planet called Fullerton.
 
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Disney Vault

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TP2000 said:
You just scared the crap out of me. I thought... "Star Wars is going to be 70? Dammit, how old does that make me?!?"

But you meant to say Star Wars is 50. And so I stopped looking for my driver's license. :rolleyes:

I remember seeing Star Wars in '77 quite well. It's one of those things that sticks with you, because it was such a big deal. I remember the people I went with (Penny and Roger, son of Senator Percy, plus another friend of theirs). I remember we piled into their friends giant Cadillac De Ville to go to the show, white with a black vinyl roof. An overcast but warm summer evening. I remember we waited in a long line on the sidewalk at the Cinerama Theater in downtown Seattle to buy tickets, watching the monorail go by every few minutes as we inched along. Then we had a few hours to kill until our showtime so we went up the street to the Westin Hotel and camped out in their lobby cocktail lounge to wait. Then we saw the movie, and it was incredible. Penny & Roger had already seen it, and insisted I see it because they wanted to see it again, and the rest is history.



It's a shame they gave up on that Bantha ride around the land they had planned, before Chapek killed it. Miceage had a full map of the route, mostly at an upper level, and some of it still exists in the current land layout.

I wonder if they could wedge it back in there, a decade later? It couldn't hurt. Star Wars Land kind of fell flat for them, even with Ky'le From Tustin bringing his story to life for us, and talking of keg parties on a planet called Fullerton.
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Where is this map? Would love to see it
 
TomorrowlandWall

TomorrowlandWall

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Star Tours The Adventures continue concept art from the 2008 Tomorrowland Master Plan:
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I just wonder if the right move is to keep Star Tours around going forward with a light refresh (Star Tour 3.0). I think that all depends on the new version of Smugglers Run.
Otherwise I think the space could open up for some new ideas.
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PiratesMansion

PiratesMansion

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coffeefan said:
Next year is the Star Wars 70th celebration, and Disney wants to go big. So I could see it sticking around for a year haha.
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Please God no.

Although it's probably in my best interest if I give them less money, so perhaps I shouldn't fight it. I just fear it will become permanent due to "guest demand" as it has in Hong Kong and Paris if it's around for too long.
coffeefan said:
I hope they direct that funding towards an attraction that's not in Tomorrowland (since we all anticipate an eventual retheme). GE could use something or an upgrade to Pooh.
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Why not all of the above?

They probably figure that the timeline change and the updates to Smugglers are the changes GE needs. I agree there should be more, but they probably think this is "good enough" for now.

I would rather not continue to have the un-updated Buzz while even WDW trots out a redone version. The wait times are certainly down, that's pretty inarguable, and it works as a band-aid fix to Tomorrowland in the meantime.

I'm not going to pretend I'm an expert on Pooh's wait times, but it seems to me that Pooh has at least held steady a bit more reliably than Buzz (not that I'd be opposed to a Pooh upgrade, mind). Of course, if anyone has data to the contrary, proving that Pooh has declined as much or more than Buzz in the same time period, I'd love to see it.
 
DL-fan

DL-fan

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The 98 New Tomorrowland seemed to start a decade of lame duck attractions (Minus TOT). 1998 through 2007 was not a great decade of new attractions. There was definitely no untouchable attractions created during this tenure since they are either gone or has been changed or is on the future chopping block and none of them were ever updated. Rocket Rods lasted a year, HISTA is gone and Astro Orbiter has never been received well because it no longer was elevated. Flik’s Fun Fair is gone, Winnie the Pooh was made on the super cheap and is generally looked down upon, Tower of Terror is gone, Buzz Lightyear was an inferior version and is not getting an update while every other version is which means it may be gone sooner rather than later Monsters Inc never had an update and will be gone next year and Finding Nemo Submarine Voyage has also never had an update and is not universally loved and not long for this world.
 
britain

britain

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DL-fan said:
The 98 New Tomorrowland seemed to start a decade of lame duck attractions (Minus TOT). 1998 through 2007 was not a great decade of new attractions. There was definitely no untouchable attractions created during this tenure since they are either gone or has been changed or is on the future chopping block and none of them were ever updated. Rocket Rods lasted a year, HISTA is gone and Astro Orbiter has never been received well because it no longer was elevated. Flik’s Fun Fair is gone, Winnie the Pooh was made on the super cheap and is generally looked down upon, Tower of Terror is gone, Buzz Lightyear was an inferior version and is not getting an update while every other version is which means it may be gone sooner rather than later Monsters Inc never had an update and will be gone next year and Finding Nemo Submarine Voyage has also never had an update and is not universally loved and not long for this world.
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Or in other words…

“Euro Disney cost too much! Dream smaller! Smaller I say!” Indy, Tower, and Animal Kingdom were already deep into development when the Parisian fallout began.
 
coffeefan

coffeefan

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PiratesMansion said:
Ugh, YouTuber gobbledygook.

"This thing could maybe possibly be bad or good," because YouTubers can't just say they don't know something or don't have meaningful information to go off of and must have MOAR CONTENT!!!111 at all costs.
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I found the overview of MK's Buzz informative, but that's because I'm not as familiar with MK. His theory is that if DL's version gets upgraded, it probably means DL TL redo is further out. If it remains the same, it may be sooner.
 
PiratesMansion

PiratesMansion

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coffeefan said:
I found the overview of MK's Buzz informative, but that's because I'm not as familiar with MK. His theory is that if DL's version gets upgraded, it probably means DL TL redo is further out. If it remains the same, it may be sooner.
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Probably accurate, but I'm totally fine with an updated Buzz for the time being.
 

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