News Disney Springs Bus Service to Resorts Now Requires Reservation Verification

[Nubs70]

It is a good point. Since the pandemic, “shrinkflation” is worse than I’ve ever seen it.

Cutting quality and quantity used to be somewhat in balance. Now it seems like a race to see who can give you less of both.

The problem is companies chasing the margins from the several quarters post pandemic. Raw materials were still hedged and inflation was roaring. Normal margin was 15% then "organically " rose to 23%. After inflation came full circle and hit the raw materials, margins are back to 15%. But companies are doing everything they can to get back to the artificial 23%

 

[flynnibus]

Yes, and it makes no sense to overtax the existing transportation infrastructure that is meant and designed to get people from A to B, or B to C, to also add A to C and F to M and the like.



The problem with this, as I see it, are the DS tenants. They have a decided interest in parking remaining both free and plentiful. If potential customers are going to be on the hook for a parking fee before they even step foot within DS, that will cut down on traffic and affect their bottom line. Further, if the parking situation becomes untenable or increasingly unpleasant due to overcrowding or unavailability, that too will stifle prospective customers.

How many shopping centers do you stay at for more than 3hrs?

This is akin to ‘no overnight parking’ signs to most people. AKA it’s a threat they never have to worry about impacting them.

It’s the kind of system that only targets abusers.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

You’re number 1 irredeemable in my eyes!

Thanks, Boo Boo

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

The problem is companies chasing the margins from the several quarters post pandemic. Raw materials were still hedged and inflation was roaring. Normal margin was 15% then "organically " rose to 23%. After inflation came full circle and hit the raw materials, margins are back to 15%. But companies are doing everything they can to get back to the artificial 23%

Sure sounds like an elaborate way of saying: they had a government issued excuse to price gouge…And you can’t put that clown back into the box

 

[Chi84]

Sure sounds like an elaborate way of saying: they had a government issued excuse to price gouge…And you can’t put that clown back into the box

It’s not an excuse as much as a reason.

Price gouging applies only to necessities and is usually illegal.

Businesses trying to avoid sharing the pandemic impact is more like greed.

 

[Chi84]

How many shopping centers do you stay at for more than 3hrs?

This is akin to ‘no overnight parking’ signs to most people. AKA it’s a threat they never have to worry about impacting them.

It’s the kind of system that only targets abusers.

I don’t see it as a shopping center; we use it more as an entertainment venue.

Dinner, watching all the outside entertainment, drinks at the Boathouse deck, etc.

It seems Disney is trying to match the response to the severity of the problem. Right now it’s not so bad so limiting the bus service at the busiest times is likely enough.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Yes, and it makes no sense to overtax the existing transportation infrastructure

The transportation is fine. The Disney Springs bus stop is only crowded towards closing time.

 

[Tha Realest]

How many shopping centers do you stay at for more than 3hrs?

This is akin to ‘no overnight parking’ signs to most people. AKA it’s a threat they never have to worry about impacting them.

It’s the kind of system that only targets abusers.

Few, but in all the times I’ve been to DS I’ve never spent less than 3 hours there. The moment you start charging for parking - which they cannot do under the current rules - it disincentivizes potential customers.

Again, it’s still unclear to me how having a few routes of the transportation method that is paid for by the hotels and hotel guests (during a busy season) reserved for said guests is somehow unfair.

 

[Tha Realest]

The transportation is fine. The Disney Springs bus stop is only crowded towards closing time.

You keep making these broad statements that are unknown to anyone that doesn’t work for Disney.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

You keep making these broad statements that are unknown to anyone that doesn’t work for Disney.

do you think the buses leaving Disney springs during the morning / day are operating at capacity? Why do you think that?

I’m sharing my thoughts and observations as someone who visits often and uses this bus stop often. I’m also a total transit geek and pay attention to how transit systems work.

 

[JD80]

I think you guys lost the thread of this argument about 20 pages ago.

 

[Animaniac93-98]

How many shopping centers do you stay at for more than 3hrs?

This is akin to ‘no overnight parking’ signs to most people. AKA it’s a threat they never have to worry about impacting them.

It’s the kind of system that only targets abusers.

How many shopping centers have Cirque shows? Or as large a collection of specialty/unique bars and restaurants?

Between that and the AMC it's easy to see why someone would spend more than 3 hours at DS for dinner and more

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I think you guys lost the thread of this argument about 20 pages ago.

…the exits are clearly marked. You can always go to a D23 thread if ya need new made up stuff for podders and vloggers

 

[flynnibus]

I don’t see it as a shopping center; we use it more as an entertainment venue.

Dinner, watching all the outside entertainment, drinks at the Boathouse deck, etc.

Again, i ask, how often do you find yourself staying for more than 3hrs? And if you did, would you meet a validation threshold?

4hrs would be a full 6pm to nearly close…

Most dinner plus browsing i’d wager would fall under 3hrs. If not, adjust. You just want to avoid being the evening park parking

 

[Nubs70]

Sure sounds like an elaborate way of saying: they had a government issued excuse to price gouge…And you can’t put that clown back into the box

I do not think is was a price gouge as it is unrealistic expectations on the part of corporations. Corporations mistook margin increases as some organizational brilliance on their part rather than a market correction beyond theor control.

 

[flynnibus]

Few, but in all the times I’ve been to DS I’ve never spent less than 3 hours there.

I’d be interested to head how all of your limited DS stays have been nearly half day adventures

 

[Chi84]

I’d be interested to head how all of your limited DS stays have been nearly half day adventures

I just don't think it's enough of a problem for Disney to do more than what they're doing now. There's a negative psychological aspect to limiting people if it's not necessary.

 

[flynnibus]

How many shopping centers have Cirque shows? Or as large a collection of specialty/unique bars and restaurants?

Between that and the AMC it's easy to see why someone would spend more than 3 hours at DS for dinner and more

You’re glossing over the validation point.

Dinner is typically 90mins or less
Cirq and movies are typically <2.5hr experiences.
People shop for 1-3hrs
People rarely do all three together.. usually 1-2

Validation takes care of the boundary cases.

You’d be hard pressed to find people hanging out for 4hrs without spending money…. Unless they are the performing groups.

 

[flynnibus]

I just don't think it's enough of a problem for Disney to do more than what they're doing now. There's a negative psychological aspect to limiting people if it's not necessary.

It’s enough of a problem the resort as a whole has to mess with these rules year after year. The issue is DS is not isolated here - this is a problem that has to be solved as a property wide solution to address the actual issue.

That’s why i said focus on what you are trying to actually solve - not just one piece in isolation. Trying to tighten DS alone just creates all kinds of casualties. Solve the problem wholistically and the casualties decrease and the expectations converge.

 

[peter11435]

How many shopping centers do you stay at for more than 3hrs?

Most visitors spend more than 3 hours at Disney Springs.