Disney Irish
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Don't know if those prices will be accurate in 2031, but yes having it go back home is probably the best option in most cases.
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Telsa Full Self Driving feature's impact on Disneyland Parking Logistics/Operations
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With California shutting down its oil refineries now, I would imagine the price for Dad driving the gas-powered Camry would go up noticeably, by both the price of gas and TDA's penchant for hiking prices on everything they can.
The price for the Tesla 2-Way option would increase marginally as California already has some of the highest electricity rates in the nation, but they are still going higher and Sacramento wants to shut down existing nuclear and gas powerplants ASAP.
The Waymo option is the wild card. I would imagine its operating costs will crash over the next few years as AI powered EV robotaxis become commonplace. But the cost for electricity in SoCal and a demand-based service will take a bit out of those productivity gains; it's just unknown how fast and by how much Waymo will be able to get its costs down closer to Uber/Lyft.
The 2031 options might have prices more like this...
Self Driving Car 2-Way to Harbor = $35 ($20 electricity charge for 100 miles, plus $15 for a day's insurance and wear/tear)
Dad Drives to Mickey & Friends = $80 ($20 gas, $50 parking fee, plus $10 for day's insurance and wear/tear)
Waymo 2-Way round trip to Harbor = $100 ($50 each way for a 25 mile trip)
Disney Irish
Premium Member
I'm just going to leave this right here -
www.cbtnews.com
Tesla logs zero test miles as California robotaxi push stalls
Tesla logged zero autonomous test miles in California in 2025 and has not applied for expanded robotaxi permits.
www.cbtnews.com
Personally, if I'm going EV i want a Hummer. 0-60 in 3 seconds, convertible top, crab walk(!) and, as Motor Trend said, "Huge fun to drive, at least until someone gets hurt".
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Disney Irish
Premium Member
And again in 2031 or whatever year, the car may make a left down Ball instead of right, and then maybe a left down Walnut and then a left down Katella and left down Harbor to pick up at that IHOP. Or maybe they go straight and go around that way.
The point is there are many other options for those 1700 car besides waiting in line to make that right turn. They will do what ever is needed to continue on their way beyond just waiting and causing a traffic jam. Again this is all without any need for infrastructure changes or requiring Disney to setup anything special for these cars.
Or as I suggested originally maybe regulation (or even voluntarily agreed upon my the manufactures) that driverless self driver is disabled at large venues until there is a critical mass adoption of these cars. That once a majority of the cars on the road are driverless self driving that is when the feature will be turned on, because then all will communicate with each other and not cause a traffic jam.
Plenty of options beyond just accepting that Disney has to spend Billions on modifying the parking structure to work for 1700 cars.
Personally, if I'm going EV i want a Hummer. 0-60 in 3 seconds, convertible top, crab walk(!) and, as Motor Trend said, "Huge fun to drive, at least until someone gets hurt".
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I knew I liked you, right from the start!
If you are going to bother to do something, go big and go bold! Be remembered!
A year or so ago, I was considering that new EV Dodge Charger with 670 horsepower. Have you seen it? It's a HUGE 2 door coupe! For size, it rivals my Dad's old '67 Lincoln Continental that I was never allowed to drive. I think it's actually wider than Dad's Continental by a few tenths of an inch.
But then the EPA rules all changed, and now Dodge says they are going to bring back the 700+ horsepower HEMI V-8 for the Charger next year. So I'm waiting. It would be my very last car that I would drive by myself, let's be honest. So I want it to be something memorable.
Which reminds me, the Tesla at the dinner party last weekend that started this thread and all the fuss was purchased because the owner has an increasing habit of scraping his cars up against stuff in his old age. And his insurance agent was getting testy. So he bought the self-driving Tesla to allow him to stay on the road longer. Which is why it was so hilarious that he paid the $8,000 upfront for self-driving updates for the life of the car, instead of just paying $99 per month via the subscription.
I don't think he wants to think about the math on how long the $8,000 lasts him versus how much longer his life actually has.
Ouch! I'd probably pay the $8k too. Let me pretend I'm immortal.I knew I liked you, right from the start!
If you are going to bother to do something, go big and go bold! Be remembered!
A year or so ago, I was considering that new EV Dodge Charger with 670 horsepower. Have you seen it? It's a HUGE 2 door coupe! For size, it rivals my Dad's old '67 Lincoln Continental that I was never allowed to drive. I think it's actually wider than Dad's Continental by a few tenths of an inch.
But then the EPA rules all changed, and now Dodge says they are going to bring back the 700+ horsepower HEMI V-8 for the Charger next year. So I'm waiting. It would be my very last car that I would drive by myself, let's be honest. So I want it to be something memorable.
Which reminds me, the Tesla at the dinner party last weekend that started this thread and all the fuss was purchased because the owner has an increasing habit of scraping his cars up against stuff in his old age. And his insurance agent was getting testy. So he bought the self-driving Tesla to allow him to stay on the road longer. Which is why it was so hilarious that he paid the $8,000 upfront for self-driving updates for the life of the car, instead of just paying $99 per month via the subscription.
I don't think he wants to think about the math on how long the $8,000 lasts him versus how much longer his life actually has.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
Unless you're planning on leaving this plane of existence in the next 7 years (or replacing said vehicle in that time) its cheaper to take the $8k hit all at once rather than the $99/mo.
I think that was his thought as well.
Me? I'm a realist. We all die, usually sooner than we'd like. I'd probably just do the $99 monthly subscription, and if I last through $8,000 of those monthly fees, I'll kick myself at around $8,500.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
So about year 7.I think that was his thought as well.
Me? I'm a realist. We all die, usually sooner than we'd like. I'd probably just do the $99 monthly subscription, and if I last through $8,000 of those monthly fees, I'll kick myself at around $8,500.
Do it.
lazyboy97o
Well-Known Member
We could go back and forth on this for weeks, using various companies and their self driving cars as examples. But the fact remains; self-driving robot cars have already been invented, are being sold in large numbers to Americans, and the technology is not going away. It will only get better, like all new technology does in a Capitalist economy/society.
This Waymo that nearly got itself T-boned down in Phoenix last week makes me reconsider the Waymo App I added to my phone recently in anticipation of getting to/from my favorite sushi place in Old Town San Diego next month.
Tip: Watch this Waymo video on mute, as the passengers repeated "OhmyGawd,OhmyGawd,OhmyGAWD!" gets old fast.
More relevant to my needs, my sushi place with the awful parking in Old Town San Diego is also adjacent to multiple train tracks very active with Surfliners, Coasters, San Diego Trolley's and Santa Fe freights. So I might just call a cab....
MoonRakerSCM
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Was in Vegas a couple weeks ago and was trying to take a Zoox robotaxi, but alas, we couldn't make it work out time wise and where (or near where) we wanted to go.
I recall seeing those things test last year on the strip (even the year before?). We found it hilarious that the thing had a sticker on it that read something along the lines of "Caution, Robotaxi may not follow road laws"
We found it hilarious... and were wondering... can that sticker work on any vehicle and make it ok to run a red light, turn down a one way street... other things? Say, if we robbed a bank... and called a robotaxi for the getaway vehicle... does that make everything OK? Just gotta tap the sign...
I recall seeing those things test last year on the strip (even the year before?). We found it hilarious that the thing had a sticker on it that read something along the lines of "Caution, Robotaxi may not follow road laws"
We found it hilarious... and were wondering... can that sticker work on any vehicle and make it ok to run a red light, turn down a one way street... other things? Say, if we robbed a bank... and called a robotaxi for the getaway vehicle... does that make everything OK? Just gotta tap the sign...
AJFireman
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I was in Vegas 2 weekends ago and tried zoox a few times. Its fun gimmick. It didn't always take the shortest route so that was kind of frustrating time wise. One ride it did get a little confused at a road construction area with cones. It kept shuffling right and left before coming to a light and then stopped right in the middle of two lanes.. Sat thought for a minute then proceeded straight just when i thought it was going to miss the entrance to the casino it crossed 2 lanes of traffic quickly . It was midnight so not a lot of traffic so it really didn't put us in any danger.
What i did was spoof my location with an app then requested a zoox. it would start with a 45+ wait time but then would reduce to like 15-20. probably be case of cancelations. just hang out in the casino and play while i waited
What i did was spoof my location with an app then requested a zoox. it would start with a 45+ wait time but then would reduce to like 15-20. probably be case of cancelations. just hang out in the casino and play while i waited