Telsa Full Self Driving feature's impact on Disneyland Parking Logistics/Operations

[lazyboy97o]

Neat! I have a Benz myself with a recent (and genuinely impressive) version of Distronic, so I'd probably be more swayed to stay in the family.

For the sake of fun Disneyland conversation, would it help any for you, @lazyboy97o @PiratesMansion and anyone else who hates Elon Musk with the hot, hot hatred of a million suns if we replace 1,000 Teslas leaving Mickey & Friends after the fireworks autonomously in search of their owners on Harbor Blvd. in 2031 with 1,000 Mercedes, Fords, Cadillacs and Audis?

Would that maybe sway anyone to think this robot car thing might be a problem sooner than later for Disneyland's notoriously mismanaged and semi-hostile evening operation of their resortwide parking and transportation logistics?

With this single right turn lane out of a 17,000 space parking structure as the only option to get to Harbor Blvd. based on a 1995 Resort District transportation plan that never considered self driving cars?

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You’re the only one making arguments based on personal feelings. You were impressed by something that isn’t new and have made wild extrapolations.

Before you can have a crush of autonomous cars being hailed by their owners you need people to own autonomous cars. Nobody owns a personal autonomous vehicle. Nobody sells a personal autonomous vehicle. Doesn’t matter if you’re asking about Tesla, Ford, GM, Stellantis, BYD, Tata, Volkswagen, Honda, Hyundai, Toyota, BMW, Renault-Nissan-Mitsubishi, Rivian, Dongfeng, Geely or anyone else. The answer is the same for everyone of them, they do not sell a [Level 4+] vehicle capable of making that drive. There is no evidence that any of them will offer one any time soon and several have pulled back on their near-term ambitions regarding Level 3 autonomy in personal vehicles.

Even if this somehow magically changed, there are plenty of simple solutions. They could just restrict autonomous vehicle pickup areas as is done with ride share services.

 

[TP2000]

Shocked we've gotten to five pages.

I know, right?!? Apparently I hit a nerve because the robot cars are built by a car company started and owned by an evil man who is hated with the hot, hot heat of a million suns.

Swap the hood ornament on the front out from Tesla to a Ford Blue Oval though, and it's still gonna be a problem at that single right turn lane out of the 17,000 space Mickey & Friends structure.

We also spent about a page and a half discussing nomenclature and proper terminology, which was also my fault because I just thought what I experienced at a dinner party actually happened.

It's not actually a self driving car, even though it's a car that drives itself. Got it?

Also gotta love autonomous vehicles that use vision based systems which fail remarkably in poor weather conditions (which sure are few and far between in sunny SoCal but not perfect everywhere) compared to LIDAR based systems like Waymo and others use

I think all that stuff will be worked through, if it hasn't already. Apparently Waymos were stalling out around LA last week during the rains when they came upon standing water in roadways. The Lidar system doesn't like that for some reason. They'll work through it though, I'm sure.

Teslas are being used in the Blizzard of '26 this week, so something tells me this won't become like the Pintos with the exploding gas tanks or the Corvairs that flipped over making turns.

This is a newer Model Y a few days ago with Full Self Driving Software Update 14.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Shocked we've gotten to five pages. Fun fact, Tesla's Robotaxi service in Austin has a 4x higher accident rate than accidents caused by human drivers

And they still have human monitors too!

And since it was mentioned, the Cybertruck is more dangerous than the Pinto.

 

[dmc493]

I'm impressed with both the quantity of words being generated in this thread as well as the level of formatting certain posters enjoy incorporating in said posts. suspicious, committed, or both?

 

[Disney Irish]

Here is the magic solution that seems to be the only thing that will end this, since some people think that magic updates will suddenly make this a new Disneyland Carmageddon.

Starting at 7pm the very left lane coming into M&F will now be dedicated to Tesla's exiting and making a right onto Ball. Same can be done in the new Pumbaa structure when that is built.

Done, solution handed over to Josh via email. So now there is no worry.

 

[TP2000]

You’re the only one making arguments based on personal feelings. You were impressed by something that isn’t new and have made wild extrapolations.

Well, it was new to me. I've never been in a car that can drive itself around automatically before. I'm impressed by it!

Where we got in the weeds, I'm afraid, is that it's Elon Musk that has brought this technology to the masses.

If it was a car company like BYD run by the Communist Chinese Party who use stolen software and Uyghur slave labor to build their robot cars, I bet we could have focused in more quickly on that single right turn lane out of Mickey & Friends.

Before you can have a crush of autonomous cars being hailed by their owners you need people to own autonomous cars. Nobody owns a personal autonomous vehicle. Nobody sells a personal autonomous vehicle.

Trust me, I totally get the nomenclature issue now.

It's not a self driving car, that can already come get you in the Costco parking lot.

It's a car that drives itself and can already come get you in the Costco parking lot using Level 2 Driver AssistTM software, and that software and concept has just been abandoned by the company that created it and will no longer spend any resources to develop that software and product line further. This is as good as it gets in 2026, all development has now stopped.

Even if this somehow magically changed, there are plenty of simple solutions. They could just restrict autonomous vehicle pickup areas as is done with ride share services.

Harbor Blvd. businesses are already lined with signs saying "NO Uber Dropoff!". That's why when I was Ubering to the park in 2019 I got in the habit of going in for Silver Dollar Pancakes and eggs at the International House of Pancakes. I even got to be a regular with a sassy fun hostess there! I'm a rule follower, and I totally understand the businesses frustration with Ubers clogging their lots for the past decade.

But I'm also a realist, and I've seen firsthand what the SoCal Annual Pass mindset can do to established rules and logistical plans that looked foolproof on a TDA spreadsheet. Remember what a total scam and queue nightmare the Disability Access Service became for them for over a decade?!? I think they're actually still in court on a few of those cases.

The same will play out for robot cars being summoned to their master on Harbor Blvd. It's not illegal to stand on the sidewalk waiting for a car.

Even if they created a dedicated pick-up floor in the new Eastern Gateway, the logistics of that could be overwhelmed easily after fireworks. And then we're right back out onto Harbor Blvd. again making the hostess at IHOP furious!

 

[TP2000]

Here is the magic solution that seems to be the only thing that will end this, since some people think that magic updates will suddenly make this a new Disneyland Carmageddon.

Starting at 7pm the very left lane coming into M&F will now be dedicated to Tesla's exiting and making a right onto Ball. Same can be done in the new Pumbaa structure when that is built.

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Done, solution handed over to Josh via email. So now there is no worry.

You are going to turn a southbound travel lane on a divided road at a major intersection into a northbound right turn lane that then needs to cross over 4 lanes of southbound traffic to get there?

Is it too late to recall that email to Josh?

 

[TP2000]

I'm impressed with both the quantity of words being generated in this thread as well as the level of formatting certain posters enjoy incorporating in said posts. suspicious, committed, or both?

Neither. I'm retired.

 

[Disney Irish]

You are going to turn a southbound travel lane on a divided road at a major intersection into a northbound right turn lane that then needs to cross over 4 lanes of southbound traffic to get there?

Is it too late to recall that email to Josh?

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Its not really used much after a certain time, so why not? What is the logistical challenge? Heck if you're really worried about oncoming traffic you can install automatic bollard lane dividers that come up when the traffic flows changes to prevent people from merging into that lane.

You wanted a solution, I gave you a solution. No need for huge infrastructure changes, no huge cost, nothing but a lane changing directions after a certain time which happens in many towns across this country every day. And its all dedicated to your new 2027 Tesla that I know you're shopping for.

 

[TP2000]

And since it was mentioned, the Cybertruck is more dangerous than the Pinto.

I had no idea! I see those all over the place nowadays. They look a little too avant garde for my tastes, however.

My parents bought my younger sister a brand new Chevy Vega when she turned 16. I was furious because when I was 16 I had gotten my mom's old hand me down Volvo. But that Vega was a complete disaster from the very first week, and my Dad never bought another GM vehicle ever again in his life.

The Vega was quickly replaced by... a new Pinto. Thankfully, my sister is alive and well today and driving an Audi EV.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Where we got in the weeds, I'm afraid, is that it's Elon Musk that has brought this technology to the masses.

You’re the only one who keeps making this personal and keeps lying to make Elon and Tesla look better.

 

[TP2000]

You’re the only one who keeps making this personal and keeps lying to make Elon and Tesla look better.

I don't even own Tesla stock. But after that dinner party drive, now I wish I did.

Assume I had used the correct nomenclature to describe a self driving robot car right from the very beginning. And take Elon out of it entirely.

If even just 1,000 self driving robot cars (nomeclature!) try to leave Mickey & Friends during the 10 o'clock hour and go towards Harbor Blvd. instead of to the freeway, that's going to cause huge issues for the Resort District.

I think it's coming sooner than later (5 years or less), but I completely understand I'm an amateur on this tech and you may have insight on how far away the technology actually is.

But I've also seen how masses of AP's catch on quick to abuse Disneyland's infrastructure and systems.

 

[Disney Irish]

I don't even own Tesla stock. But after that dinner party drive, now I wish I did.

Assume I had used the correct nomenclature to describe a self driving robot car right from the very beginning. And take Elon out of it entirely.

If even just 1,000 self driving robot cars (nomeclature!) try to leave Mickey & Friends during the 10 o'clock hour and go towards Harbor Blvd. instead of to the freeway, that's going to cause huge issues for the Resort District.

I think it's coming sooner than later (5 years or less), but I completely understand I'm an amateur on this tech and you may have insight on how far away the technology actually is.

But I've also seen how masses of AP's catch on quick to abuse Disneyland's infrastructure and systems.

Nomenclature aside, even if there are 1000 of these in 2026, 2027, 2028, 2029, etc., parking at M&F doesn't mean that they are going to even be allowed to drive automated without a driver on DL Dr, Ball Rd, or let alone anywhere in Orange County. Tesla already has the feature you keep hyping up disabled for public roads, so that isn't going to be an issue.

Also this is way different than some AP abuse. Unless someone is going to hack and reprogram their car (and if they are what are they doing at Disneyland and not working at one of these companies to fix all these issues) to automatically work on roads that they are prevented to go then there is no worry of abuse. Not to mention that would violate any warranty, be completely illegal, and face heavy fines ($Millions) and many years in jail if caught, not to mention the liability issues from any potential accident. Yeah this isn't an issue.

 

[Misted Compass]

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[TP2000]

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That's definitely an option, and one I did at least a few times a couple decades ago when I was tasked with "getting the car" and then picking up my sister and her two young sons crashed out in strollers at 10pm on Harbor.

I suppose that the inherently App-based nature of this driving technology would be able to avoid some surface street backups, particularly at the Disneyland Drive/Ball Road intersection.

But it doesn't prevent a whole lot of cars, that in 1995 were supposed to just get right on the freeway and disappear, from getting on the freeway for only half a mile and then returning right back into the already congested heart of the Resort District.

 

[TP2000]

Nomenclature aside, even if there are 1000 of these in 2026, 2027, 2028, 2029, etc., parking at M&F doesn't mean that they are going to even be allowed to drive automated without a driver on DL Dr, Ball Rd, or let alone anywhere in Orange County. Tesla already has the feature you keep hyping up disabled for public roads, so that isn't going to be an issue.

I'd be right there with you if this conversation was being had in 2015. Even 2020. Self driving cars?!? A robot car that comes back from the nether regions of the Costco parking lot and gets you at the front door when you're done shopping?

That's the stuff of dreams and glitzy World's Fair exhibits. It'll never happen in my lifetime! And then it did.

And in 2026, automakers are now selling hundreds of thousands of cars per year that can do it. And those 2026 cars also have the absolutely incredible ability to update their own software via over-the-air automated upgrades in 2027, and 2031, and beyond. Just that part alone is something I couldn't have believed a decade ago.

Also this is way different than some AP abuse. Unless someone is going to hack and reprogram their car (and if they are what are they doing at Disneyland and not working at one of these companies to fix all these issues) to automatically work on roads that they are prevented to go then there is no worry of abuse.

It sounds like you are saying local municipalities, like Anaheim's Resort District, would pass legislation that would demand proprietary software from private automakers not work within their city boundaries, or in some sections of their city.

Not sure how legal that would be, off the top of my head. Seems like it would need to come down from the Federal level, not up from the local level.

Doesn't a self driving car owner paying DMV highway taxes deserve the same right to public roadways as other drivers?

Not to mention that would violate any warranty, be completely illegal, and face heavy fines ($Millions) and many years in jail if caught, not to mention the liability issues from any potential accident. Yeah this isn't an issue.

Not sure what warranties or other things have to do with this. It's a feature on a growing number of new cars, and automakers are working on making it better and more widely available at a range of price points. It's not going away.

 

[Phroobar]

This is what will happen someday.

 

[DLR92]

I really hope EV car will be a fade while man kind can find a way to harness hydrogen fuel mass production.

 

[TP2000]

This is what will happen someday.

Add a sassy yet fun IHOP hostess to that scene, yelling "You can't pick up here!", and that's exactly my fear.

 

[TP2000]

Hell, now that I type that out loud and miss that lady at the Harbor Blvd. International House of Pancakes, perhaps the issue will be both at morning drop-off and at evening pick-up?!?

Disneyland Parking is already $40 per day for Mickey & Friends! $60 if you want to be "close" to an escalator.

What would it cost for your robot car to drop you off in the morning on Harbor, drive back to Yorba Linda or West Covina or Long Beach and wait for you all day at home, then be requested to awaken for a 10:00pm pickup back on Harbor Blvd.?

Even with California's highest electricity costs in the nation, that's got to be less than 40 bucks. And certainly less than the 60 bucks for "Preferred" closeness to an escalator to let you fight your way onto a tram at the end of the night.

I had already ditched Mickey & Friends for Uber 7 years ago. It wouldn't take much for me to ditch the idea of a "parking structure" entirely if I had a robot car capable of all that in five years or less.