Sirwalterraleigh
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Trailers are less laughable/depressingIt's cheaper than renting trailers!
And you can use the roof for a grill at lunch
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News Report: Former Star Wars Galactic Starcruiser to Become Walt Disney Imagineering Offices
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And you can use the roof for a grill at lunch
flynnibus
Premium Member
So how much should disney unload this pile of junk on some unknowing party for?
It's ruined now right? Might as well cash out before it gets worse?
And the sales number for the land? Also unremarkable?
Buhaha.. this shows just how jaded you are.
flynnibus
Premium Member
At the time Filoni had none of the experience needed to lead the entire company. He was just an animation director and writer. He still wasn't ready even 14 years later when he was promoted, which is why they have this co-leader thing.
If you said something like "he should have lead the story group" - then maybe you'd have a reasonable argument. But lead the company? He was 35 with no business acumen -- he was a creative lead, not a Executive Producer.
HMF
Well-Known Member
I don't really disagree with you. The current arrangement should have been there from the onset or at least they should have held off on the ST until the right pieces were in place and actually use Lucas's plans rather than shut him out of the process and make a bad nostalgia bait trilogy trying to placate people in their 40s and 50s who don't like new ideas like they ended up doing but it is obvious all Iger saw was $$$$$$$.
flynnibus
Premium Member
It boils down to KK wasn't the strong creative LEADER she was thought to be. She had all the resume, but when left to lead the ship on her own, she faltered and made bad choices. So maybe best a supporting role, but not the decision maker. It's hard to fault the choice at the time, she literally had been in the middle of the biggest productions of all time, loved by the creative leads, and actually picked BY THEM. But ultimately when given the keys and left to lead, she took the wrong turns.
It happens... not everyone is the right material for the top, no matter how good they were at all the other roles. Problem is, they should have course corrected much sooner, instead they got into whatever leadership and franchise management quagmire they created.. and instead had nearly a decade of mixed results.
Doesn't mean the thing is worthless or dead tho - just have to work on what new stuff they want to produce.
HMF
Well-Known Member
Again, I assign more blame to Iger than I do to her. The only reason people go after her and not higher up the food chain is because of the unfortunate and actually quite perplexing cross section between Star Wars fandom and outright misogyny.
HMF
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I don't disagree there.
lazyboy97o
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It even happens with people with a good track record. Especially with creative work, there aren’t many noted for great work who don’t also have some duds on their resume.
As someone who pushes back at outlandish KK derangement syndrome, I will say this: Her handling of directors and writers for the sequel trilogies was a disaster. You don't wing a trilogy by letting different directors take the story in whatever direction they please leaving gaping open questions and direct contradiction of what was done earlier.
Iger took responsibility for Solo for pushing for it to come out before it was ready. But, it wasn't ready because of KK's poor handling of the initial directors.
And Iger took responsibility for SWGE being locked to the sequel timeline because TFA made $2B.
Other than that... there were successes such as Rogue One, Andor, Mandalorian, and the animated series.
And if KK is damned for the failures, she should be praised for the successes.
Iger took responsibility for Solo for pushing for it to come out before it was ready. But, it wasn't ready because of KK's poor handling of the initial directors.
And Iger took responsibility for SWGE being locked to the sequel timeline because TFA made $2B.
Other than that... there were successes such as Rogue One, Andor, Mandalorian, and the animated series.
And if KK is damned for the failures, she should be praised for the successes.
flynnibus
Premium Member
There is still a big difference between "stopping an obvious trainwreck" and "allowing something good to happen". You don't get to take credit for someone else's creation - but you should take responsibility for letting something go off the rails.
Picking a good person to the do the job is something good yes - but you don't take credit for their output. You do however still own responsibility for it. That's the thing... the difference between CREDIT and RESPONSIBILITY.
Things like the stupid story group initiatives she lead... that's things she did take credit for, and needs to OWN her responsibility for as well.
You don't have to be involved in the creation to have responsibility for it... but you damned well be part of the creation if you want to take CREDIT for it.
Was KK vacationing in Cabo for a year while random directors showed up at LucasFilm HQ and made successful projects?
This reeks of the Fandom Menace's self-contradictory talking points that if LF did something successful it was only because KK was frozen out of any of the decision-making because "Disney hated her", but if they created a flop, it was purely KK's fault because she's running roughshod over everything because she's totally in control and is a tryant off the rails!!
lazyboy97o
Well-Known Member
It’s not a contradiction. If you are put in charge of hiring an architect for your company’s new office, you’re not going to claim to be the designer because you hired and supervised the architect. You’ll get kudos for finding someone who did a good job, but you won’t be credited for the work itself. You will absolutely be blamed by your company if you let the architect deliver a building that doesn’t have enough room for all of the employees to work there.
And yet, there are those very vocal people who won't give the kudos to KK for finding the writers and directors of the SW content that was well received.
As you say, it works both ways.
flynnibus
Premium Member
Its like you didn't even read the post. The difference between responsibility and taking credit for creation. Both are related to outcomes - but they are not the same thing.
You can give her credit for producing successes - but that does not somehow nullify nor make the decision making elsewhere. Nor does her role as producing mean she was the creative force that made project A successful vs project B.
You can be the producer on a successful project and not be the REASON it was successful. But if you are the producer on a crap project it IS your responsibility - because that oversight and authority WAS their responsibility.
Producers don't create the story - but they are responsible for what gets through.
Her responsibility as the head of the studio and as producer on these projects is across all things. Approvers don't get credit for CREATION - but they do face responsibility for everything.
This is not fandom crap - it's management.
Nevermind the simple reality her involvement was not uniform everywhere... nor were all projects driven by the same mandates equally. So all this 'yOu ArEn'T cONsiSTanT' stuff is non-sense.
I see it as nonsense. Good day.