News Report: Former Star Wars Galactic Starcruiser to Become Walt Disney Imagineering Offices

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I knew they were going to destroy it the second I found out they had acquired it. I just wish I didn't turn out to be as correct as I was.

The Dark Side of the Force

How the object of my affections became the core of my disillusionment.

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I had the immature optimism that they would learn from the prequel era and understand why it was such a “thing” in the first place…

It was a rookie mistake on my part

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

So you’re saying like RotR or GofG are also Iger failures? Those are other things greenlit by Iger because the numbers and revenue analysis fit.

Of course decisions are made by looking at financials, that’s how business works. That’s beside the point. You want to hang the failure of Galactic Starcruiser around Iger’s neck as if he is solely responsible for it. That’s fine, but when you do that you need to also praise him for the successes that happened under him and give him I sole responsibility for them. (Which is also silly, you’ll be hard pressed to find someone that believes any one attraction was the complete brainchild of one person and fully realized into a final product by that same one person.)

That’s not what I’m saying

I’m not saying everything fails…just that what they did with Star Wars did and it was predictable. 100% bad executive decisions and that goes back to the dwarf building. Including that ride…which is bland and has horrible IP (because they didn’t get it or refused to accept it)

They swindle people for $28 for that at 10 am and you can walk on…like a lot…after 5pm

You might want to come up with better examples. Because guardians is a good ride…but it doesn’t fit. Using a fringe Marvel property with the bigger names up the road

You want to hang flags on it these?

 

[HMF]

I had the immature optimism that they would learn from the prequel era and understand why it was such a “thing” in the first place…

It was a rookie mistake on my part

I honestly think it was because they thought that there was nothing of value to the prequels and decided that a safe paint-by-numbers retread of the Original Trilogy and over-fisted fan-service would cover up their obvious lack of new ideas and creativity.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I honestly think it was because they felt that they thought that there was nothing of value to the prequels and decided that a safe paint-by-numbers retread of the Original Trilogy and over-fisted fan-service would cover up their obvious lack of new ideas and creativity.

That could very well be…which means theres multiple ways to completely misread the room.

 

[Basil of Baker Street]

So you’re saying like RotR or GofG are also Iger failures? Those are other things greenlit by Iger because the numbers and revenue analysis fit.

Of course decisions are made by looking at financials, that’s how business works. That’s beside the point. You want to hang the failure of Galactic Starcruiser around Iger’s neck as if he is solely responsible for it. That’s fine, but when you do that you need to also praise him for the successes that happened under him and give him I sole responsibility for them. (Which is also silly, you’ll be hard pressed to find someone that believes any one attraction was the complete brainchild of one person and fully realized into a final product by that same one person.)

I think the greater point is you're paying a guy 45 cool mil a year. There should be NO epic failure.

P.S. If it acceptable, I can fail for half that.

 

[WDW John]

That’s not what I’m saying

I’m not saying everything fails…just that what they did with Star Wars did and it was predictable. 100% bad executive decisions and that goes back to the dwarf building. Including that ride…which is bland and has horrible IP (because they didn’t get it or refused to accept it)

I’m unclear on how you define “fail”. I agree that GS was a failure, quite obviously since it was shut down so quickly. Now you’re saying that “what they did with Star Wars” is a failure, but that doesn’t seem to be the actual case, perhaps just your opinion. As I type this RotR and SR both have a 115 minute wait, the longest wait times in DHS. People rush to RotR every single morning. Neither of those are a sign of “what they did with Star Wars” as a failure.

They swindle people for $28 for that at 10 am and you can walk on…like a lot…after 5pm

The fact they can do that is also not a sign of failure. It’s a different topic and I don’t love it, but people still pay for it and don’t seem to mind that much, not enough to not pay for it anyway.

You might want to come up with better examples. Because guardians is a good ride…but it doesn’t fit. Using a fringe Marvel property with the bigger names up the road

Doesn’t fit doesn’t matter, it’s a good ride and a successful ride, thanks to Iger. (The topic of shifting away from a park’s original goal is a matter for a different thread)

Again, credit goes where credit is due and no one person is responsible for everything, but if you want to lay failures at Iger’s feet you must acknowledge the achievements he was also responsible for.

 

[MisterPenguin]

I think the greater point is you're paying a guy 45 cool mil a year. There should be NO epic failure.

P.S. If it acceptable, I can fail for half that.

You're talking about the entertainment industry. Projects with massive losses - much more than $45M - happen all the time. CEOs of movie studios aren't fired after a major flop. And no one expects a studios' output to be nothing but profitable ever single time. They just need to have be profitable *over all* rather than for each project.

The expectation you present would shutter ever movie studio.

 

[monothingie]

I’m unclear on how you define “fail”. I agree that GS was a failure, quite obviously since it was shut down so quickly. Now you’re saying that “what they did with Star Wars” is a failure, but that doesn’t seem to be the actual case, perhaps just your opinion. As I type this RotR and SR both have a 115 minute wait, the longest wait times in DHS. People rush to RotR every single morning. Neither of those are a sign of “what they did with Star Wars” as a failure.

The post Lucas era of Star Wars is a failure. The progression of the ST ate up all the goodwill of the fan base and has essentially wrecked the franchise. Disney wanted to do Star Wars on their own terms and it wound up falling flat on it's face. Now you can say that ROTR is a popular ride and it is. But consider the park size, number of attractions and comparative wait times of other E-Tickets, the wait time is not unremarkable. If you look at ROTR at SWGE at the DLR, you can see complete apathy because when given a choice, guests are not really lining up there. Hence the retcon of the whole place that's occurring.

The fact they can do that is also not a sign of failure. It’s a different topic and I don’t love it, but people still pay for it and don’t seem to mind that much, not enough to not pay for it anyway.

In a park that has no capacity it's purely a supply vs demand to dictate what people will pay for line skipping.

Doesn’t fit doesn’t matter, it’s a good ride and a successful ride, thanks to Iger. (The topic of shifting away from a park’s original goal is a matter for a different thread)

What is the star of the show...the ride system or the IP associated with the ride system. If you shoehorned Walle or the Jungle Book into the same ride system, it would be just a big of line generator.

Again, credit goes where credit is due and no one person is responsible for everything, but if you want to lay failures at Iger’s feet you must acknowledge the achievements he was also responsible for.

Iger and Josh saw guest revenue extraction as their top priority. They sacrificed quality and story and guest satisfaction for quick and easy revenue. And we see the results now.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I’m unclear on how you define “fail”. I agree that GS was a failure, quite obviously since it was shut down so quickly. Now you’re saying that “what they did with Star Wars” is a failure, but that doesn’t seem to be the actual case, perhaps just your opinion. As I type this RotR and SR both have a 115 minute wait, the longest wait times in DHS. People rush to RotR every single morning. Neither of those are a sign of “what they did with Star Wars” as a failure.

Their entire handling of Star Wars is a failure. They’ve literally left billions on the table with mistakes across the spectrum.

By the way…it is - supposed- to be the second busiest week of the year and there isn’t a whole lot in that park…what would you like them to lineup for? Alien swirling saucer?

The fact they can do that is also not a sign of failure. It’s a different topic and I don’t love it, but people still pay for it and don’t seem to mind that much, not enough to not pay for it anyway.

It proves low info customers are the best customers

Doesn’t fit doesn’t matter, it’s a good ride and a successful ride, thanks to Iger. (The topic of shifting away from a park’s original goal is a matter for a different thread)

Again, credit goes where credit is due and no one person is responsible for everything, but if you want to lay failures at Iger’s feet you must acknowledge the achievements he was also responsible for.

I really like guardians…but does the end justify the means? It’s a paywalled ride placed in a dilapidated pavilion next to another collapsed pavilion in…I’ll remind…a park Iger ripped apart and then did a “redo” That’s mostly pretty bad.

I’d be less harsh if wonders of life and it’s 3 rides/shows hadn’t been shuttered and a now almost 20 year “nothing to see here” plan wasn’t still going

 

[larryz]

Good job missing the point.

Ah, but if he didn't get the point, perhaps the archer is equally at fault for not targeting precisely...

 

[larryz]

Of course decisions are made by looking at financials, that’s how business works.

 

[Captain Neo]

Who bought the property, greenlit the management, didn’t bother to understand the fandom at all, and proceeded to decree a reboot (Michael arndt) and commence a program of slapping labels on cheap knockoff product?

You’re looking at a fishbowl floating in an ocean

They torched the whole thing from day 1

That’s why this is a physical monument to failure

Some good did eventually come out of it though: Rogue One, Andor and The Mandalorian. So the endeavor wasn’t a total disaster

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Some good did eventually come out of it though: Rogue One, Andor and The Mandalorian. So the endeavor wasn’t a total disaster

Not all misses

But the biggest mystery in Hollywood history continues to be how anyone can miss with this? Who could be more obvious to read than Star Wars fandom?

So while some of it is good…they literally had to shut down feature films? How can that happen on any level?

 

[HMF]

Not all misses

But the biggest mystery in Hollywood history continues to be how anyone can miss with this? Who could be more obvious to read than Star Wars fandom?

So while some of it is good…they literally had to shut down feature films? How can that happen on any level?

Other than Rogue One most of the streaming content was far better than the stuff they put in theatres ultimately IMHO.

 

[HMF]

Not all misses

But the biggest mystery in Hollywood history continues to be how anyone can miss with this? Who could be more obvious to read than Star Wars fandom?

So while some of it is good…they literally had to shut down feature films? How can that happen on any level?

The ST was a massive misfire everything else tended to be hit or miss. I don't understand why Lucas picked Kennedy as his successor. It was far more obvious to me at least that Filoni had a better understanding of how the franchise works than she did. Though I will say I don't blame her as much as I blame Iger and the man who could not write something original to save his life (Abrams) and the man who fundamentally misunderstood what Star Wars is and didn't bother to write more than one draft. (Rian Johnson) Kennedys skill for picking filmmakers who understand the franchise is in question. She should have stayed a producer (Something she was actually good at and her resume shows it.) and not gotten involved in running a film studio and I wish Lucas had the foresight to see that and not to sell to Disney in the first place. He used to take pride in the fact that he could make films without interference from the big studios which makes the fact that he ultimately sold out all the more tragic. Then again, I doubt Walt himself would make it through the front gate at Burbank today.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

The ST was a massive misfire everything else tended to be hit or miss. I don't understand why Lucas picked Kennedy as his successor. It was far more obvious to me at least that Filoni had a better understanding of how the franchise works than she did. Though I will say I don't blame her as much as I blame Iger and the man who could not write something original to save his life (Abrams) and the man who fundamentally misunderstood what Star Wars is and didn't bother to write more than one draft. (Rian Johnson) Kennedys skill for picking filmmakers who understand the franchise is in question. She should have stayed a producer (Something she was actually good at and her resume shows it.) and not gotten involved in running a film studio and I wish Lucas had the foresight to see that and not to sell to Disney in the first place. He used to take pride in the fact that he could make films without interference from the big studios which makes the fact that he ultimately sold out all the more tragic. Then again, I doubt Walt himself would make it through the front gate at Burbank today.

She ran errands for Steve for 35 years…George thought he could control her while not having to shell out a nickel for the stuff he thought he’d tinker with at LFL

She double crossed him with Bobby from the Jump…but wasn’t up to it.

Production chops does not equal creative chops…just as George had whacky ideas but sucked as a director and executive producer…for the most part

George was similar to Harrison ford…highly talented…but spent 40 years disgruntled about money and had PLENTY

 

[𝐌𝖆𝖓 𝖎𝖓 𝐖𝖊𝖇]

From what I understand, Imagineers are actually loving the new view. And creative burnout is down now that staring off into space counts as productivity.

 

[Skibum1970]

She ran errands for Steve for 35 years…George thought he could control her while not having to shell out a nickel for the stuff he thought he’d tinker with at LFL

She double crossed him with Bobby from the Jump…but wasn’t up to it.

Production chops does not equal creative chops…just as George had whacky ideas but sucked as a director and executive producer…for the most part

George was similar to Harrison ford…highly talented…but spent 40 years disgruntled about money and had PLENTY

I watched an interesting video where someone redid the sequels. One point they made was that George's best films (Empire and Return) were not directed by him and he did no writing. He provided direction and oversight but was not directly involved in the actual making of the film.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I watched an interesting video where someone redid the sequels. One point they made was that George's best films (Empire and Return) were not directed by him and he did no writing. He provided direction and oversight but was not directly involved in the actual making of the film.

Oh it goes deeper

If Gary Kurtz didn’t run the shoot (way over budget) and Kershner didn’t direct (lots of alternative takes and ad libing which made the final film)…empire isn’t the same movie
And that of course made the entire “empire”

But we’re off course…they turned the crappy Star Wars thing into offices for really expensive rehabs…YAY!

 

[HauntedPirate]

But we’re off course…they turned the crappy Star Wars thing into offices for really expensive rehabs…YAY!

It's cheaper than renting trailers!