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Live-Action reimagining of Moana

Nevermore525

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Also people want to be entertained first and foremost, quality is secondary to that. Never forget that. That is why we have about a Billion hours of Reality TV and why people flock to garbage movies all the time. Its called the Entertainment Business for a reason, to entertain. And entertainment comes in all forms, even if it doesn't personally appeal to YOU.
Yep. The first Mario movie is a mess in terms of storytelling, but loaded with nostalgia and feels so story is irrelevant to the response from fans. Minecraft was absolutely awful, but the meme and vibes sold. Moana 2 was equally poor narratively but the popularity of Moana drove it.
 

Pizza Moon

Well-Known Member
I'm going to be honest... this looks mid, like I don't think it'll be horrible, but probably a 4-5/10, shame since the animated Moana is really good and I'm 99% certain this was done only because of Dwayne Johnson and money :/

At least the actress playing Moana does a nice job at the role imo, Dwayne is only really doing for his voice of Maui, but not at all for the live-action counterpart, but it's cool they animated his tattoos ig.
Agreed.

If it wasn’t for it just imitating a better movie it’d probably be like a 2 honestly.
 

Surferboy567

Well-Known Member
Yep. The first Mario movie is a mess in terms of storytelling, but loaded with nostalgia and feels so story is irrelevant to the response from fans.
I’m a massive Mario fan so probably I’m a little biased, but I really loved that movie.

I’m not saying it’s some high art animated movie, but had a really good time with it and I’m very excited for Galaxy.
 

Nevermore525

Well-Known Member
I’m a massive Mario fan so probably I’m a little biased, but I really loved that movie.

I’m not saying it’s some high art animated movie, but had a really good time with it and I’m very excited for Galaxy.
Not denying that and also a massive Mario fan. It’s fun, and has all the member berries of nostalgia for fans that takes away any need for a story.
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
Maui in live action looks incredibly strange. It’s like his head is too small for his body.
Indeed. They're inflating his torso, I guess to match the overly thicc barrel chest of the animated Maui. Unfortunately, the pectorals and torso look like CGI add-ons and they don't have it down just right. Like it was inflated rubber. Where are the nipples?

The arms look good.

They still have time to fix the renderings.
 

brideck

Well-Known Member
Not denying that and also a massive Mario fan. It’s fun, and has all the member berries of nostalgia for fans that takes away any need for a story.

100%. That movie was a fun reference/Easter egg hunt for people who know Nintendo franchises (not even just Mario) very deeply. I do as well, so it was fun for that, but not a good story/movie really by any stretch of the imagination.

The Disney equivalent to this sort of thing doesn't really exist, as they've not really ever loaded their live-action remakes with references and nods. They're either pretty straight remakes or fairly wild extrapolations/diversions. The closest thing I can think of would be the different references in Wish (on account of Disney 100), which people did not appreciate in the same kind of way that they did with Mario. But I don't actually think that there's a lot of nostalgia in the general public for Disney's pre-Renaissance stuff, which is what most of those references were, with just a handful of exceptions.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
100%. That movie was a fun reference/Easter egg hunt for people who know Nintendo franchises (not even just Mario) very deeply. I do as well, so it was fun for that, but not a good story/movie really by any stretch of the imagination.

The Disney equivalent to this sort of thing doesn't really exist, as they've not really ever loaded their live-action remakes with references and nods. They're either pretty straight remakes or fairly wild extrapolations/diversions. The closest thing I can think of would be the different references in Wish (on account of Disney 100), which people did not appreciate in the same kind of way that they did with Mario. But I don't actually think that there's a lot of nostalgia in the general public for Disney's pre-Renaissance stuff, which is what most of those references were, with just a handful of exceptions.
The closest equivalent to Mario for Disney would be Ralph Breaks the Internet with all the Disney references.
 

brideck

Well-Known Member
The closest equivalent to Mario for Disney would be Ralph Breaks the Internet with all the Disney references.

Right... I'd forgotten about that stuff, and even then I tend to think of the wide-reaching arcade/video game references in that one as opposed to the Disney-specific bits.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
Right... I'd forgotten about that stuff, and even then I tend to think of the wide-reaching arcade/video game references in that one as opposed to the Disney-specific bits.
I was specifically talking about the whole "Oh My Disney" section of the movie, but yes it has a lot of great other references too.
 

MarvelCharacterNerd

Well-Known Member
Maybe it's because I really like Moana, but this looks like it's one of the best shot-for-shot live action remakes.

Maybe it's because I really like Moana, I have no interest in seeing this but it does make me want to rewatch the animated version again.
 

Disney Analyst

Well-Known Member
Okay so like... the wig is just bad. In fact, both the hair choices for Moana and Maui are bad.

Also why do they refuse to make things look colorful and pop on screen these days? Give me some pizzaz, it's Moana for crying out loud!

I won't see it at the theatre, this is definitely a wait for streaming. It's too soon, and I have Moana fatigue.

But I will be the first one seated for Tangled.
 

Pizza Moon

Well-Known Member
Holy stream of consciousness batman, you're all over place here.

I don't ignore anything, let alone Disney's output. They can put up a stinker just like any Studio out there. Some around here try to hold them up to a higher standard than every other Studio in Hollywood for some reason, yet forget that they have a long history of over 100 years now of many many many lean years where they couldn't find a hit with a map.

I learned long ago not to try to predict how a movie will do, especially after a single trailer, because everything is at the whim of the audience's mood. What some think will be flops end up being $Billion movies and what some think will be successes end up being flops. Nothing is guaranteed in the movie business.

I'm reminded of all the people who after the first trailer for Moana 2 dropped how they claimed it would flop because of how bad it looked, and yet.....

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Also people want to be entertained first and foremost, quality is secondary to that. Never forget that. That is why we have about a Billion hours of Reality TV and why people flock to garbage movies all the time. It’s called the Entertainment Business for a reason, to entertain. And entertainment comes in all forms, even if it doesn't personally appeal to YOU.
Disney was held to a higher standard, same with Pixar.

Yeah there’s reality TV, but when you go see a Pixar movie, you expect to be entertained but extremely high quality.

As a kid I was blessed with seeing movies like Finding Nemo in theaters, casually seeing 5Toy Story 3 on a random summer day, so I feel bad that kids today don’t get that with Pixar (by and large).

Audiences are rejecting their absolutely trrrivle movies unless it has good marketing and a crazy brand.

I’d like to think Moana 2 would’ve made more had they actually intended on an actual movie sequel instead of just rushing a Disney+ show. Brand wise do we really think Moana 2 is helping Disney like Moana 1bdid? Long-term it will not have viewership like the 1st, it will not become a classic like the 1st, it will likely not create many new Disney fans but just people going that like the IP itself. That is a business strategy that only works occasionally, you can’t apply it to your entire film output like they basically have.

Alice Thro if h the Looking Glass, Maleficent 2, and TRON: Ares to me prove that you can’t keep making slop endlessly. Why a movie like frozen 2 Moana 2 or Lilo and stitch succeed is they coast on franchises. It’s why last Jedi wasn’t a flop despite being terrible, but the returns went down. Rise of Skywalker only made $50M in profit versus force awakens’ $500M+ BTW.

In Star Wars’ cases I don’t buy that Star Wars couldn’t have been handled properly. Simply going with the original Galaxy’s Edge that wasn’t meddled with by Iger, not hiring JJ Abrams and instead a god tier sci-fi director for one, using Lucas’ story treatment, not lecturing your audience, making these movies for 12-year old boys, boom, you’d have a wildly different scenario today.

Why make a movie like TRON: Ares that is an automatic flop instead of actually trying?

You act like Disney’s brand should be mindless.

Pixar was like buying a Porsche. Like you literally could go back to back years in 2009 and 2010 and literally cheer for it in a best
Picture Oscar race.

If you don’t see the issue that they haven’t wanted to focus on quality like Steve Jobs wanted, and have just decided that “yea, these fools will come anyway we don’t have to try.” It’s a horrible long-term business strategy

And I disagree actually, Disney spends such a ridiculous amount on films and has the best IP but I would not say their output has been the best in the past few years. Maybe box office through cash grabs with the occasional solid movie (ie Guardians 3), but so few and far between it’s actually ridiculous.

They absolutely should stop dumbing down movies into generic slop, doing forced race swaps and messaging, and actually have quality control in the writing room, and only hire talent that gets it and just let them cook.

I’m glad you’re not the CEO because if your mantra is literally “just make whatever and attach Disney to it people will come” I don’t want to live in that world. I don’t even think Iger’s POVA is truly this bad💀

How much money did Rise of Skywalker leave on the table? Like with Dune each movie is going to make more than the last I’m sure. Even merchandising flopped for the Sequels because no one found the characters interesting.

It absolutely matters. You can have misses but Disney Has just gotten lazy. If Steve Jobs believes so, well then I believe it too.

Also even for reality TV there’s slop like House Hunters and then there’s shows like Survivor or big budget productions that have really good editing, etc.

I just say whatever you’re doing, not everything has to be the Mona Lisa, but you should always try to make the best possible thing you can. Life has to be more than just solving one problem after another and just creating and doing things that are cool.

TL;DR: Disney and Pixar used to operate at a premium quality bar—the kind where parents trusted the brand for memorable theatrical experiences that could compete for Oscars and build lifelong fans. That reputation is eroding because too much recent output feels like rushed cash-grabs coasting on IP rather than earning it through strong storytelling. They won’t likely create the same depth of fandom or merchandising longevity.
 
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Hawkeye_2018

Well-Known Member
Actually looks a little better than I expected. Expectations are low though. Hopefully they expand on the characters and lore and it's not just a straight retelling of the original
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
Disney was held to a higher standard, same with Pixar.

Yeah there’s reality TV, but when you go see a Pixar movie, you expect to be entertained but extremely high quality.

As a kid I was blessed with seeing movies like Finding Nemo in theaters, casually seeing 5Toy Story 3 on a random summer day, so I feel bad that kids today don’t get that with Pixar (by and large).

Audiences are rejecting their absolutely trrrivle movies unless it has good marketing and a crazy brand.

I’d like to think Moana 2 would’ve made more had they actually intended on an actual movie sequel instead of just rushing a Disney+ show. Brand wise do we really think Moana 2 is helping Disney like Moana 1bdid? Long-term it will not have viewership like the 1st, it will not become a classic like the 1st, it will likely not create many new Disney fans but just people going that like the IP itself. That is a business strategy that only works occasionally, you can’t apply it to your entire film output like they basically have.

Alice Thro if h the Looking Glass, Maleficent 2, and TRON: Ares to me prove that you can’t keep making slop endlessly. Why a movie like frozen 2 Moana 2 or Lilo and stitch succeed is they coast on franchises. It’s why last Jedi wasn’t a flop despite being terrible, but the returns went down. Rise of Skywalker only made $50M in profit versus force awakens’ $500M+ BTW.

In Star Wars’ cases I don’t buy that Star Wars couldn’t have been handled properly. Simply going with the original Galaxy’s Edge that wasn’t meddled with by Iger, not hiring JJ Abrams and instead a god tier sci-fi director for one, using Lucas’ story treatment, not lecturing your audience, making these movies for 12-year old boys, boom, you’d have a wildly different scenario today.

Why make a movie like TRON: Ares that is an automatic flop instead of actually trying?

You act like Disney’s brand should be mindless.

Pixar was like buying a Porsche. Like you literally could go back to back years in 2009 and 2010 and literally cheer for it in a best
Picture Oscar race.

If you don’t see the issue that they haven’t wanted to focus on quality like Steve Jobs wanted, and have just decided that “yea, these fools will come anyway we don’t have to try.” It’s a horrible long-term business strategy

And I disagree actually, Disney spends such a ridiculous amount on films and has the best IP but I would not say their output has been the best in the past few years. Maybe box office through cash grabs with the occasional solid movie (ie Guardians 3), but so few and far between it’s actually ridiculous.

They absolutely should stop dumbing down movies into generic slop, doing forced race swaps and messaging, and actually have quality control in the writing room, and only hire talent that gets it and just let them cook.

I’m glad you’re not the CEO because if your mantra is literally “just make whatever and attach Disney to it people will come” I don’t want to live in that world. I don’t even think Iger’s POVA is truly this bad💀

How much money did Rise of Skywalker leave on the table? Like with Dune each movie is going to make more than the last I’m sure. Even merchandising flopped for the Sequels because no one found the characters interesting.

It absolutely matters. You can have misses but Disney Has just gotten lazy. If Steve Jobs believes so, well then I believe it too.

Also even for reality TV there’s slop like House Hunters and then there’s shows like Survivor or big budget productions that have really good editing, etc.

I just say whatever you’re doing, not everything has to be the Mona Lisa, but you should always try to make the best possible thing you can. Life has to be more than just solving one problem after another and just creating and doing things that are cool.

TL;DR: Disney and Pixar used to operate at a premium quality bar—the kind where parents trusted the brand for memorable theatrical experiences that could compete for Oscars and build lifelong fans. That reputation is eroding because too much recent output feels like rushed cash-grabs coasting on IP rather than earning it through strong storytelling. They won’t likely create the same depth of fandom or merchandising longevity.
You know what’s amazing, for someone who likes to promote and use AI so much you can’t string together an honest or cohesive thought. You’re all over the place again, almost as if AI couldn’t spit out what you wanted and so you just threw it together whatever it did spit out.

So I’m glad you’re not CEO, as this shows you couldn’t formulate an original thought or idea on your own, you just regurgitate what others wrote.

Also Steve Jobs died in 2011, so we don’t know what he would have thought about anything. You think someone who would use his name so much would know that.

And lastly you missed the whole point about entertainment, the idea first is to entertain and quality comes secondary, that is what audiences crave not the other way around.

So run along, go play with your AI. This movie will do whatever it will do.
 

Chi84

Premium Member
You know what’s amazing, for someone who likes to promote and use AI so much you can’t string together an honest or cohesive thought. You’re all over the place again, almost as if AI couldn’t spit out what you wanted and so you just threw it together whatever it did spit out.

So I’m glad you’re not CEO, as this shows you couldn’t formulate an original thought or idea on your own, you just regurgitate what others wrote.

Also Steve Jobs died in 2011, so we don’t know what he would have thought about anything. You think someone who would use his name so much would know that.

And lastly you missed the whole point about entertainment, the idea first is to entertain and quality comes secondary, that is what audiences crave not the other way around.

So run along, go play with your AI. This movie will do whatever it will do.
Yes. Just . . . yes.
 

Vegas Disney Fan

Well-Known Member
This looks similar to the Stitch remake, which I loved, but I still question if it’s been long enough since the original to be successful, I also wonder if Stitch’s success marked an end of remake fatigue or if it was just an anomaly.

I look forward to giving this a chance on D+ though.

I won’t be surprised if it does huge numbers though simply because of Moana 2, I didn’t even find it worth finishing on D+ but it made bank so there’s obviously a huge audience for more Moana.
 

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