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Rumor Pre-Arrival Survey - AP Discounts, Lightning Lane Pre-Booking Discounts, Hotel Upgrades

EricsBiscuit

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5. Absolute collapse of international travel to Orlando;
6. Macro-economic conditions;
Florida is seeing record tourism basically every year now. The issue is pricing. There are only so many upper-middle class spenders.
not to mention that it’s a really weird insult to say “you live with family”
Nothing wrong with living with family. I lived with my parents until I got married despite being more than capable of going solo. It’s a great way to save money and spend time with family. Your parents are only around for so long. You have to love and appreciate them while they’re still here.
 

Jrb1979

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If they ask about an upgrade i would assume it should be free no? Granted that can be a reach for Disney lol. Any upgrade upon arrival really can only be same hotel imo. Who wants to get to check in then have to head to another hotel. It have to be a major upgrade. Moving someone from a value/moderate regular room to a “preferred” room is nice but imo a whatever. Good PR on their part if the rooms are available tho. But honestly. Upon check in. You could always ask and if lucky get that anyway. I think telling someone say at booking or acouple days after would be a true surprise and upgrade it they moved you to a real upgrade but can you them bumping you from amoderate to a deluxe? I cant.
From what has posted by others previously that upgrades usually happen over the phone not long before your travel time. One I saw posted was a person had booked All Star Movies and got a call 60 days out and was offered an upgrade to Coronado Springs for $550 more or Port Orleans for $750 more.
 

JohnD

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I would definitely consider Sorcerer Pass at $699/yr ($58.25/mo). I only have Pixie Dust right now for cost reasons.
 

Mr. Sullivan

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Our family has an acquaintance, a business owner. Definitely in the upper-middle/lower-upper income class. 2 parents, 2 kids, 2 incomes. Told me, out of nowhere, that "I told the kids a Disney World trip is probably once-in-a-lifetime because it's so expensive". Anecdotal but telling.
I absolutely think Disney's current over pricing plays a role in things, but I also don't think we can discount the very noticeable and steep decline in international tourists coming to the US and internal economic issues that are compounding the problem.

The whole argument some folks (not you) are making of "Florida is seeing record numbers of tourism" I don't think holds much water when you're seeing that actual experiences in Florida, be it theme parks or other tourism attractions, are seeing dips in attendance, affordable prices or not. The leisure not seeing big hits are cruises.

People simply being in the city (and they could be there for various reasons that have nothing to do with vactioning, but will still be treated as a tourist visitor in data) does not mean they're actually doing things within the city.

I also think there's too much celebration over a bump in travel for one quarter, especially when recent events in the country are likely to make any international visitors who were going to brave it reconsider and cancel. I would imagine Disney and Universal alike internally are seeing this happen in real time.

If Disney was just over pricing but the other two conditions weren't there, it wouldn't be as much of an issue. Still an issue, but not a back breaker. The problem now is though that they can lower those prices, but they can't fix those other two issues, so they're now locked into a cycle of decline. Partly of their own making, and partly because the world, and country in particular, are in a bad place.
 
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COProgressFan

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I absolutely think Disney's current over pricing plays a role in things, but I also don't think we can discount the very noticeable and steep decline in international tourists coming to the US and internal economic issues that are compounding the problem.

The whole argument some folks (not you) are making of "Florida is seeing record numbers of tourism" I don't think holds much water when you're seeing that actual experiences in Florida, be it theme parks or other tourism attractions, are seeing dips in attendance, affordable prices or not. The leisure not seeing big hits are cruises.

People simply being in the city (and they could be there for various reasons that have nothing to do with vactioning, but will still be treated as a tourist visitor in data) does not mean they're actually doing things within the city.

I also think there's too much celebration over a bump in travel for one quarter, especially when recent events in the country are likely to make any international visitors who were going to brave it reconsider and cancel. I would imagine Disney and Universal alike internally are seeing this happen in real time.

If Disney was just over pricing but the other two conditions weren't there, it wouldn't be as much of an issue. Still an issue, but not a back breaker. The problem now is though that they can lower those prices, but they can't fix those other two issues, so they're now locked into a cycle of decline. Partly of their own making, and partly because the world, and country in particular, are in a bad place.

All of this was well said.

Beyond the issues with international travelers, US consumer confidence is plunging, and lower than it's been in well over a decade. People are cautious with their spending - way too much economic and political uncertainty in the US right now for many people to comfortably splurge on a Disney vacation. Historically, Disney has used APs to fill the gaps in economic down times.
 

Mr. Sullivan

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All of this was well said.

Beyond the issues with international travelers, US consumer confidence is plunging, and lower than it's been in well over a decade. People are cautious with their spending - way too much economic and political uncertainty in the US right now for many people to comfortably splurge on a Disney vacation. Historically, Disney has used APs to fill the gaps in economic down times.
Correct.

And I want to be very, very clear before I get accused of Pixie Dusting or whatever: Disney holds fault in this. Their pricing has, does, and will continue to play a role in any sort of decline they're seeing. I do not refute that.

What I do refute is the assertion a lot of folks here want to make that it's the only reason. It isn't. If economic and political conditions were different, their insane pricing would be as much of a problem for them as it may turn out to be with those conditions in place. It's poor choices on Disney's end colliding with issues that are out of Disney's control.
 

Jrb1979

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Correct.

And I want to be very, very clear before I get accused of Pixie Dusting or whatever: Disney holds fault in this. Their pricing has, does, and will continue to play a role in any sort of decline they're seeing. I do not refute that.

What I do refute is the assertion a lot of folks here want to make that it's the only reason. It isn't. If economic and political conditions were different, their insane pricing would be as much of a problem for them as it may turn out to be with those conditions in place. It's poor choices on Disney's end colliding with issues that are out of Disney's control.
Pricing isn't the only reason but it's the major one.
 

Figments Friend

Well-Known Member
From what has posted by others previously that upgrades usually happen over the phone not long before your travel time. One I saw posted was a person had booked All Star Movies and got a call 60 days out and was offered an upgrade to Coronado Springs for $550 more or Port Orleans for $750 more.

I had a good friend stay at All Star Music some years ago, who was casually offered an upgrade to Old Key West pre-arrival.
A true upgrade, as I believe he did not have to pay the difference.
That was back in 2005 or so.

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MrPromey

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Then drop the stupid &$&!ing pretense

I feel like it's a lever they'd prefer to still be able to pull if they want, even if they never seem to.

Honestly, with only the top tier, most expensive passes even having access during these holidays, I don't get the point. The blackouts alone which impact all other passes should be enough to solve that problem. You're far less likely to have passholders gumming up the lines for Guardians and Rise during these periods anyway since those are the "I ain't waiting in that line for that ride" crowd.
 
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Touchdown

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If that doesn’t work it may be time to open a loyalty program for resorts (ie like Bonvoy, HHonors, etc) and start awarding points that can be used to book nights along with redesigning the credit cards to earn those points. I know they’ve resisted in the past due to DVC, but most hotel chains have these programs and timeshares so it seems doable.
 

HauntedPirate

Park nostalgist
Premium Member
If that doesn’t work it may be time to open a loyalty program for resorts (ie like Bonvoy, HHonors, etc) and start awarding points that can be used to book nights along with redesigning the credit cards to earn those points. I know they’ve resisted in the past due to DVC, but most hotel chains have these programs and timeshares so it seems doable.
Giving away something to loyal guests? For free??!?? Think of what that would do to yield management!! (All hail yield management)
 

Touchdown

Well-Known Member
Giving away something to loyal guests? For free??!?? Think of what that would do to yield management!! (All hail yield management)
Those points systems end up earning more money for their companies than actually servicing guests. The gold standard for this is Delta Airlines that makes most of its revenue from American Express licensing their name and miles onto branded credit cards then actually flying people. I’m surprised Disney hasn’t jumped on that bandwagon sooner.*

*Of course, if you know what you’re doing you can game the system to actually get rewarded by these programs, but most people don’t and that’s why they are so widely profitable.
 

HauntedPirate

Park nostalgist
Premium Member
Those points systems end up earning more money for their companies than actually servicing guests. The gold standard for this is Delta Airlines that makes most of its revenue from American Express licensing their name and miles onto branded credit cards then actually flying people. I’m surprised Disney hasn’t jumped on that bandwagon sooner.*

*Of course, if you know what you’re doing you can game the system to actually get rewarded by these programs, but most people don’t and that’s why they are so widely profitable.
Delta makes billions from their co-branded credit card deal. If only Disney had a co-branded credit card… oh wait…
 

Touchdown

Well-Known Member
Delta makes billions from their co-branded credit card deal. If only Disney had a co-branded credit card… oh wait…
I doubt Disney makes as much as Delta. Mainly because they don’t have a points system, their card is just not good. I own Delta, Hilton, and Chase cards because they offer good rewards values for me.
 

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