New Tomorrowland @ Disneyland? Is this the year it finally gets announced? No, and that’s OK

[Phroobar]

That is why in this thread we need to think outside the box. If it exists elsewhere, can we get a better version here or something brand new. We DONT need a People Mover but what could be fun is a family friendly suspended coaster over the land instead. Maybe themed to jet packs?

 

[TheRealSkull]

Some feel that any New TL will require a new E-ticket to make the numbers work. Some don't. If you feel it will, the next question is what the E-ticket will be. It could be an entirely new ride system (there are probably patents floating around and who knows what they could come up with). That would be exciting.

Or, common with Disney, it could be one of the newer, exciting ride systems featured in other resorts that is not yet at (or reportedly slated for) DLR -- perhaps with a new IP. Top contenders could be the TRON or Guardian coasters, Flight of Passage (though Soarin' is nearby), or the new Cars system in Piston Peak (but only if it's quite different than RSR). Any others?

For curiosity and speculation purposes, I wanted to see how the contenders mentioned above could fit into TL "proper" (which I'm saying is Lagoon-and-South for this exercise) even if only Space Mountain is retained and everything else was wiped clean (not necessary for all options). I took a few liberties in reconfiguring the show building parts to fit efficiently, and I also preserved the Railroad tracks. Here's TRON. Seems like it could create a neat area between TRON and SM.
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Here's Guardians, maybe the load building can shrink down:
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The issue with Guardians may be that the show building is 140-feet tall and Matterhorn is 147-feet, perhaps they can sink it into the ground 20-30 feet like Pirates is dug in:
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Here's the comparison of MK's Cars ride with an area in TL:
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Flight of Passage tucks in there almost entirely where the Autopia load area is, and the Launch Bay building could maybe be retained, maybe as queue space. I was surprised. I have no idea what IP could be used but it certainly wouldn't be terribly hard to fit in.
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The Tron show building is pretty big too and would be tough to hide from guests. However, just because that's how it is in Shanghai and WDW doesn't mean they can't find a way to confine it here.

If the PeopleMover never returned, I'd say the next best thing would to have Tron Lightcycle Run be configured to run through Tomorrowland similar to how the PeopleMover did. A better version of the Rocket Rods, I guess.

A full demo of the land would almost certainly be required for that which is fine because the aesthetics around the land would definitely need to be upgraded, too, so it Tomorrowland looks like a place the Light Cycles could run through. Right now, it'd just look like lipstick on a pig.

 

[TheRealSkull]

Some feel that any New TL will require a new E-ticket to make the numbers work. Some don't. If you feel it will, the next question is what the E-ticket will be. It could be an entirely new ride system (there are probably patents floating around and who knows what they could come up with). That would be exciting.

Or, common with Disney, it could be one of the newer, exciting ride systems featured in other resorts that is not yet at (or reportedly slated for) DLR -- perhaps with a new IP. Top contenders could be the TRON or Guardian coasters, Flight of Passage (though Soarin' is nearby), or the new Cars system in Piston Peak (but only if it's quite different than RSR). Any others?

For curiosity and speculation purposes, I wanted to see how the contenders mentioned above could fit into TL "proper" (which I'm saying is Lagoon-and-South for this exercise) even if only Space Mountain is retained and everything else was wiped clean (not necessary for all options). I took a few liberties in reconfiguring the show building parts to fit efficiently, and I also preserved the Railroad tracks. Here's TRON. Seems like it could create a neat area between TRON and SM.
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Here's Guardians, maybe the load building can shrink down:
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The issue with Guardians may be that the show building is 140-feet tall and Matterhorn is 147-feet, perhaps they can sink it into the ground 20-30 feet like Pirates is dug in:
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Here's the comparison of MK's Cars ride with an area in TL:
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Flight of Passage tucks in there almost entirely where the Autopia load area is, and the Launch Bay building could maybe be retained, maybe as queue space. I was surprised. I have no idea what IP could be used but it certainly wouldn't be terribly hard to fit in.
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Disneyland shouldn't have others hand me downs.

Don't look at it like that. I think the point is big E-Ticket attractions can fit into Tomorrowland.

 

[Phroobar]

Don't look at it like that. I think the point is big E-Ticket attractions can fit into Tomorrowland.

Just trying to get people to use their imaginations instead of "I like this ride. Put it in Disneyland" frame of mind.

 

[coffeefan]

I honestly think if they brought back the PeopleMover there would be a "huh...this is what the big deal was all about?" reaction. Don't get me wrong, I have fond memories of it. But I don't think "the kids" (it closed 30 years ago...so anyone under 40? ) would be very impressed or appreciative.

3-6 year olds would love it. So would the elderly.

Just anecdotal, but I rode the Peoplemover when I was in this age group and I don't remember being on it at all. I do have vivid early memories of Pirates, Rocket Jets, and the Skyway.

 

[Disney Irish]

Just trying to get people to use their imaginations instead of "I like this ride. Put it in Disneyland" frame of mind.

And that is fine, but I think that is really what is happening, and honestly limiting to saying only new ride systems should go into DLR is probably not even a good thought experiment. Just because a ride was previously in another Disney Park doesn't mean it cannot be used in Disneyland using a different theme/IP, so really shouldn't be considered a "hand me down" anyways. Disney has reused ride systems in many ways at every one of their Parks, for example Indy at Disneyland and Dino at AK (now being themed to Indy).

And really its the execution that makes the difference anyways. So really would anyone really care all the much if Tron went into TL with a new or updated theme, probably not as long as its fun.

 

[DrStarlander]

Don't look at it like that. I think the point is big E-Ticket attractions can fit into Tomorrowland.

Absolutely, multiple options of E-tickets we are aware of can fit. And E-tickets we haven't heard of, on the drawing boards, could likely fit. While my preference is for something totally new in all regards, a re-themed attraction that is a crowd-pleaser would be second. And a total transplant (IP and all) would be third.

The Tron show building is pretty big too and would be tough to hide from guests. However, just because that's how it is in Shanghai and WDW doesn't mean they can't find a way to confine it here.

The TRON show building is much shorter than Cosmic Rewind, and if was sunk in the ground about 30 feet like PotC (I'm basing that on reports that the two drops are 13 and 18 feet), it doesn't seem like it would be a sight problem at all. I went into the exercise expecting it to clearly not work and I was wrong.

And really its the execution that makes the difference anyways. So really would anyone really care all the much if Tron went into TL with a new or updated theme, probably not as long as its fun.

I agree, if it was another exact replica of TRON I'd be pleased at the addition and yet underwhelmed. But with a different theme it could be really cool.

Some of these ride systems offer the kinetic energy the land needs, like TRON or maybe the Cars system from MK (again, if it's truly unique from RSR), whereas other E-tickets don't obviously offer that (though Cosmic Rewind I guess could go outside too?). Especially if they don't bring back the PM, I'd hope they'd place some value on kinetic energy in any additions.

 

[mickEblu]

That is why in this thread we need to think outside the box. If it exists elsewhere, can we get a better version here or something brand new. We DONT need a People Mover but what could be fun is a family friendly suspended coaster over the land instead. Maybe themed to jet packs?

But they haven't exactly been killing it lately when it comes to new stuff. Also wouldn't an exposed track and supports all over the land be kind of ugly? Id be all for some sort of Tron/ Rocket Rods hybrid that uses either the carrousel or Buzz building for some interior show scenes.

 

[Nickm2022]

Why not give me a e ticket based on stitch in the alien spaceship

 

[britain]

 

[Disgruntled Walt]

You should do one about the OT coming to Galaxy's Edge.

 

[TheRealSkull]

But they haven't exactly been killing it lately when it comes to new stuff. Also wouldn't an exposed track and supports all over the land be kind of ugly? Id be all for some sort of Tron/ Rocket Rods hybrid that uses either the carrousel or Buzz building for some interior show scenes.

That'd be fun! But I really don't think some of those buildings are in the best condition, to put a brand new ride system through those attractions doesn't sound realistic. Then again, I'm the same person who mentioned bringing back the PeopleMover through those tunnels wouldn't be too hard, but due to the aggressive nature of a coaster running through there, I don't know, I just can't imagine it wouldn't come without some damages.

Also, I'm pretty sure if Imagineering has at least some demoing in mind for redoing Tomorrowland. I would assume that would at least include the Carousel building, PeopleMover tracks, and one other building, too.

Also, something that just hit me. If Autopia's land is prime real estate for a Fantasyland expansion, doesn't that mean if they close Autopia, the subs would have to close too? I think it would. What would they do? Do they close Autopia and the Subs at the same time and build let's just say, Frozen Land using the Autopia land available and the Submarine Lagoon area for a New Tomorrowland attraction? Could they do those two at the same time?

 

[Phroobar]

But they haven't exactly been killing it lately when it comes to new stuff. Also wouldn't an exposed track and supports all over the land be kind of ugly? Id be all for some sort of Tron/ Rocket Rods hybrid that uses either the carrousel or Buzz building for some interior show scenes.

I was thinking something more of a single rail coaster like at IOA. The supports could be made to look space age. Its like a transportation system in the sky for this city. No ramps below could make the land feel not so enclosed.

Maybe a futuristic version of this but smaller pods.

 

[Phroobar]

That'd be fun! But I really don't think some of those buildings are in the best condition, to put a brand new ride system through those attractions doesn't sound realistic. Then again, I'm the same person who mentioned bringing back the PeopleMover through those tunnels wouldn't be too hard, but due to the aggressive nature of a coaster running through there, I don't know, I just can't imagine it wouldn't come without some damages.

It doesn't have to be a fast coaster with loops and stuff. Think suspended PeopleMover but with the thrill of being up high and flying through the buildings.

 

[Nickm2022]

Some feel that any New TL will require a new E-ticket to make the numbers work. Some don't. If you feel it will, the next question is what the E-ticket will be. It could be an entirely new ride system (there are probably patents floating around and who knows what they could come up with). That would be exciting.

Or, common with Disney, it could be one of the newer, exciting ride systems featured in other resorts that is not yet at (or reportedly slated for) DLR -- perhaps with a new IP. Top contenders could be the TRON or Guardian coasters, Flight of Passage (though Soarin' is nearby), or the new Cars system in Piston Peak (but only if it's quite different than RSR). Any others?

For curiosity and speculation purposes, I wanted to see how the contenders mentioned above could fit into TL "proper" (which I'm saying is Lagoon-and-South for this exercise) even if only Space Mountain is retained and everything else was wiped clean (not necessary for all options). I took a few liberties in reconfiguring the show building parts to fit efficiently, and I also preserved the Railroad tracks. Here's TRON. Seems like it could create a neat area between TRON and SM.
View attachment 902632

Here's Guardians, maybe the load building can shrink down:
View attachment 902633
The issue with Guardians may be that the show building is 140-feet tall and Matterhorn is 147-feet, perhaps they can sink it into the ground 20-30 feet like Pirates is dug in:
View attachment 902634

Here's the comparison of MK's Cars ride with an area in TL:
View attachment 902635View attachment 902637

Flight of Passage tucks in there almost entirely where the Autopia load area is, and the Launch Bay building could maybe be retained, maybe as queue space. I was surprised. I have no idea what IP could be used but it certainly wouldn't be terribly hard to fit in.
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question, just curious, Idk much about the cali landscape or what's under the park but was curious is it possible to dig deep into the grounds so that any show building could look shorter in height?

 

[Nirya]

Back in the day, I had some ideas for a potential Tomorrowland redo. Space Mountain and Star Tours were the only things that stuck around in their present forms. I considered changing Space Mountain's queue around to use the Magic Eye Theater, but I sit between that or putting a new restaurant here and getting rid of Pizza Planet. Either way, the theater isn't long for this world.

The PeopleMover was returning but changed. Loading and unloading would take place on the second floor of the old Starcade, while the second floor of the Carousel building would be turned into a show building for a whole thematic section themed to the old show Cosmos. Think of the old Adventure Thru Inner Space, with the People Mover vehicles having pivoted movement similar to those omnimovers, in that it can pivot you to see different things. The show scenes would trace various space things, the atom, and the like, culminating with the ride through Space Mountain at the end before returning to the loading station. This new ride design would allow them to pivot all throughout the ride.

Astro Orbiter moves out of the front of the park, but it also doesn't go back to the old PM platform. Instead, it gets moved into that plaza between the old PM platform and Space Mountain, sitting against the old Platform. The old Platform itself gets turned into a restaurant similar to the old Theme Building at LAX, which would give 360 views of the land. The platform itself would be expanded out larger towards the Galactic Grill Restaurant, with that walkway closed off.

Buzz is gone, put a Stitch ride of some kind here. Small dark ride is fine.

The first floor of the Carousel building gets a FoP-style ride, but themed to a trip through space. I would also be fine with a new version of Flight to the Moon/Mission to Mars here as well, maybe do that with the FoP system.

Subs are gone, Autopia shortened to allow for a FL expansion.

 

[britain]

You should do one about the OT coming to Galaxy's Edge.

If I think of something funny. I don’t think OT coming to GE is a bad idea, so I don’t want to make fun of it.

 

[Phroobar]

The PeopleMover was returning but changed. Loading and unloading would take place on the second floor of the old Starcade, while the second floor of the Carousel building would be turned into a show building for a whole thematic section themed to the old show Cosmos. Think of the old Adventure Thru Inner Space, with the People Mover vehicles having pivoted movement similar to those omnimovers, in that it can pivot you to see different things. The show scenes would trace various space things, the atom, and the like, culminating with the ride through Space Mountain at the end before returning to the loading station. This new ride design would allow them to pivot all throughout the ride.

This sounds like the perfect make out ride.

 

[NobodyElse]

question, just curious, Idk much about the cali landscape or what's under the park but was curious is it possible to dig deep into the grounds so that any show building could look shorter in height?

While it's certainly an added cost over just building a ground-level warehouse, there are really no physical limitations (like Florida's water table) to prevent it. Past/current examples are the Pirates and Mansion show buildings. Remember, those primarily went below grade to allow access under the railroad tracks, but the pleasant byproduct was seemingly lower profile show buildings.

 

[PiratesMansion]

I was thinking something more of a single rail coaster like at IOA. The supports could be made to look space age. Its like a transportation system in the sky for this city. No ramps below could make the land feel not so enclosed.

Maybe a futuristic version of this but smaller pods.

The capacity on that ride at Universal is so terrible that adults can't ride it without a child.

And I don't know that there's a way to upscale it without it also going all over the land as an unsightly mess that wouldn't likely be particularly scenic or thrilling IMO.