Is Phase 2 of Pandora: The World of Avatar ever coming to Animal Kingdom?

[Mr. Sullivan]

I’m more frustrated it made so much because it teaches them the wrong lessons that “if you appeal to China all your worries will go away!” which is a massive driver of self-censorship at Disney and it’s also not that good.

Like the script doesn’t have loose ends and it’s solid, but it feels VERY safe while you’re watching it.

I expected a lot more with the praise it got because the reviews are pretty great in addition to the money it made.

We’ll probably end up with a Zootopia land to the North of Kalli someday (not a big deal tho since it wouldn’t alter the existing park would basically be its own isolated thing) if Zootopia 3 makes as much lol. Kind of inevitable, but I’d be fine with that if they expand Pandora/Africa/Asia first, but we’ll probably get 1 ride before that instead.

Hoppers fits the park quite well actually. Like it would legitimately be a better fit for the Tree of Life, but we got Indiana Jones Adventure out of it and a Tropical Americas land that actually fits the park and looks stunning, so it’s a trade I’ll take.

My problem with Hoppers is the environmental message is pretty ridiculous. It isn’t real estate developers that are causing sprawl, it’s zoning laws mandating single-use housing instead of building density. Not properly covering that angle, to mex really holds the film back from saying something truly important, and makes its themes a lot more superficially tied to Animal Kingdom since AK is grounded in realism, but still better than Zootopia, which is why if it ever happens it really does need to be like SNW and just be totally alone.

Kind of like this:
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You really shouldn't be using the app's park map for this. The areas you're working in are not actually just all open and unused space just because they're depicted by grass on the map. In real life, you'll see that several of these areas you highlighted already have things there such as critical back of house areas.

 

[sedati]

Speculation becomes rumor, rumor becomes “reports”. All of which becomes hundreds of videos and posts that are still nothing but speculation.

 

[doctornick]

Agree on both fronts.

It’s also why Hollywood Studios will need another land after Monstropolis, and Shanghai Pirates would work perfect to port its tech.

Hell, even just making an actual Pirates of the Caribbean ride/land based on the movies would just be so wonderful!

It certainly could justify it as a franchise, and frankly long overdue than relying on their old ride, but I doubt they would when they have so many other IPs since they seem fine with the current state of things, oh well.

I've been a fan/advocate of just putting the Shanghai POTC in DHS as is and then removing all the Jack elements from MK POTC. If you go back to "classic" MK, the two rides are drastically different without much overlap that would definitely function fine in different parks in the same resort. And Shanghai Pirates fits well thematically in the "movie park" of WDW.

 

[ChewbaccaYourMum]

I've been a fan/advocate of just putting the Shanghai POTC in DHS as is and then removing all the Jack elements from MK POTC. If you go back to "classic" MK, the two rides are drastically different without much overlap that would definitely function fine in different parks in the same resort. And Shanghai Pirates fits well thematically in the "movie park" of WDW.

I have been screaming this exact same idea from the rooftops for a very long time haha!

 

[Pizza Moon]

I've been a fan/advocate of just putting the Shanghai POTC in DHS as is and then removing all the Jack elements from MK POTC. If you go back to "classic" MK, the two rides are drastically different without much overlap that would definitely function fine in different parks in the same resort. And Shanghai Pirates fits well thematically in the "movie park" of WDW.

ME TOO! ME TOO!!!!!

This would be the absolutely best outcome frankly.

I’m generally against cloning but Battle for the Sunken Treasure really is that good. It’s the best ride Disney has ever done and I don’t think it’s really close in many respects.

Tho I have a good feeling that Abatar, being a 2026 attraction, may finally rival it.

 

[Pizza Moon]

You really shouldn't be using the app's park map for this. The areas you're working in are not actually just all open and unused space just because they're depicted by grass on the map. In real life, you'll see that several of these areas you highlighted already have things there such as critical back of house areas.

I know that, 100% of the back of house areas I indicated are easy to relocate…

None of it is like tearing up the Animation Building at HWS, that is actually unrealistic for a long-time, yet you see people making ridiculous speculations about that plot when it wouldn’t be their next move for instance.

I know what I’m talking about is my point. It would be an unusual outlier for me to include someplace that wasn’t actually an expansion plot because I actually have put in the research, but if you have specific examples then yeah I’ll of course correct it, and would appreciate that kind of feedback.

 

[UNCgolf]

I've been a fan/advocate of just putting the Shanghai POTC in DHS as is and then removing all the Jack elements from MK POTC. If you go back to "classic" MK, the two rides are drastically different without much overlap that would definitely function fine in different parks in the same resort. And Shanghai Pirates fits well thematically in the "movie park" of WDW.

I'd be on board with this, although I personally would prefer they design a new ride with the Shanghai POTC system because I think they could (and should) do better with it. It's a good, but flawed, attraction.

 

[eddie104]

I'd be on board with this, although I personally would prefer they design a new ride with the Shanghai POTC system because I think they could (and should) do better with it. It's a good, but flawed, attraction.

I was about to say the same thing.

Villains Land is rumored to be getting the system so we shall see.

 

[djkidkaz]

I would think adding more Pandora to the park right now is a little bit of a hard sell as your average guests would see advertisements for Pandora at DAK and not realize it’s new. But adding stuff like Encanto / Indiana Jones or a new Lion King ride, those are things you can advertise and there is no mistaking that it’s a new experience.

 

[Pizza Moon]

I would think adding more Pandora to the park right now is a little bit of a hard sell as your average guests would see advertisements for Pandora at DAK and not realize it’s new. But adding stuff like Encanto / Indiana Jones or a new Lion King ride, those are things you can advertise and there is no mistaking that it’s a new experience.

Hagrid’s explosive popularity literally is factual evidence that what you’re saying is objectively wrong.

They should similarly add a a pod-racing or Speeder bike coaster to Galaxy’s Edge on both coasts. Would flesh out all those lands in such a way that I think any of their detractors would warm up to it by that point.

They probably wouldn't want a headlining E-ticket Avatar coaster or the Shanghai Pirates Enhanced Motion Boat (EMB) ride system to open until 2029 at the earliest. My guess is we’re looking more realistically at 2030-2032 range for something like that or The Lion King.

 

[The Leader of the Club]

They probably wouldn't want a headlining E-ticket Avatar coaster or the Shanghai Pirates Enhanced Motion Boat (EMB) ride system to open until 2029 at the earliest. My guess is we’re looking more realistically at 2030-2032 range for something like that or The Lion King.

I’d imagine we’re looking at something like this:
2027 - Tropical Americas
2028 - Monstropolis
2029 - Piston Peak
2030 - Villains
2031 - DAK expansion
2032 - EPCOT 50th

 

[MickeyLuv'r]

All of the DAK rides have thrill elements besides NRJ and triceratops when it was around.
FoP - steep drops
EE - thrill
Kali - thrill
Safari - rough terrain
Na'vi- not
Indy/ Dinosaur- thrill

Disney characterizes Space Mtn as having 'big drops' even though the biggest drop is only, I think 26 feet.

but even WDW lists Safari as a 'slow ride.'

 

[neo999955]

Hagrid’s explosive popularity literally is factual evidence that what you’re saying is objectively wrong.

They should similarly add a a pod-racing or Speeder bike coaster to Galaxy’s Edge on both coasts. Would flesh out all those lands in such a way that I think any of their detractors would warm up to it by that point.

They probably wouldn't want a headlining E-ticket Avatar coaster or the Shanghai Pirates Enhanced Motion Boat (EMB) ride system to open until 2029 at the earliest. My guess is we’re looking more realistically at 2030-2032 range for something like that or The Lion King.

I agree with you, it's not an issue to add a new e-ticket to an existing land. Lion King or something else would work too. I agree, this would be a 2032+ expansion at best.

I also think an exciting new ride to Stars Was is a good idea, but I'd focus on other areas first for new rides. Within Star Wars I'd focus on more characters, animatronics and drones. Make it feel alive. And then maybe add a restaurant.

Side note: I think your language can come off as really confrontational sometimes. I assume it's unintentional, but wanted to mention cause I've thought it a few times reading your posts.

That user was expressing their thoughts here in a Disney forum. It's wonderful to respond and cite examples to back up your thoughts. However; your phrasing: 'literally is factual evidence that what you’re saying is objectively wrong," reads really harsh to me. Maybe do a second read and aim for a softer approach?

 

[Pizza Moon]

I’d imagine we’re looking at something like this:
2027 - Tropical Americas
2028 - Monstropolis
2029 - Piston Peak
2030 - Villains
2031 - DAK expansion
2032 - EPCOT 50th

I feel like they're going to do Wonders, Figment, and SSE one by one until 2032. I see no reason why they couldn't; the facilities are just so underutilized as-is. Probably would cost less to do all three than adding one new land to any of those parks, and then it's ready by 2032 for the 50th.
I feel like MK's Space is also going to go under the knife between now and then.

Does HWS just get like a single ride instead of a new land added during this period (kind of like slotting in Coco at DCA), or do they probably wait for like 2033 for a new major land?

Seems like they're leaving money on the table waiting that long tbh. MK could have its Adventureland ride open during this time, too. I mea,n even if it's as late as 2033 at this point, WDW would be so built up, it's like only an EPCOT Pavilion really comes to mind as something that would have immediacy, or a major Tot update.

 

[The Leader of the Club]

I feel like they're going to do Wonders, Figment, and SSE one by one until 2032. I see no reason why they couldn't; the facilities are just so underutilized as-is. Probably would cost less to do all three than adding one new land to any of those parks, and then it's ready by 2032 for the 50th.
I feel like MK's Space is also going to go under the knife between now and then..

I think this is accurate. Maybe swap WoL with a World Showcase addition, but I could see that being their plan for EPCOT.
I think Space is also likely before Villains opens, along with replacements for the Laugh Floor & Alien Encounter spaces.

Does HWS just get like a single ride instead of a new land added during this period (kind of like slotting in Coco at DCA), or do they probably wait for like 2033 for a new major land?

My gut feeling is that DHS is going to keep building lands in the parking lot towards the front of the park. Monstropolis opens, Star Tours & Backlot Express close. That land opens, Indy closes. I’d imagine they’d get some smaller entertainment refreshes to tide them over on off years (BatB & Villains seem like likely candidates to close).

Seems like they're leaving money on the table waiting that long tbh. MK could have its Adventureland ride open during this time, too. I mea,n even if it's as late as 2033 at this point, WDW would be so built up, it's like only an EPCOT Pavilion really comes to mind as something that would have immediacy, or a major Tot update.

I don’t think they’ll do anything major in MK until villains opens, and I don’t think Adventureland is their next move. I’d imagine Tomorrowland Speedway gets the axe first.

 

[WondersOfLife]

I feel like if Avatar was that big of a deal... We would have gotten that expansion instead of tropical americas.

But thats just me.

I think the best thing they should do is plus up flight of passage like theyve done to OG Star Tours or how Soarin once in a blue moon gets an entirely new ride.

And THEN... Bring back extinct animals in the form of an IP that they OWN. Ice Age. Put that new land in the old expansion idea plot.

Avatarland doesnt need to be bigger. It is maintaining a stable popularity and is fine as is. I dont believe theyll gain anything from adding more Avatar.

 

[parksandtravel]

The proposed DCA boat ride is a no brainer for a park with a desperate need of more capacity.

In all honesty it should have been approved here first before ever making its way to the West Coast.

But Iger was so insistent on the IP having a presence over there plus he was always very biased towards Disneyland. At this point this project seems like an unnecessary headache with several complexities that would be non existent in a fresh expansion pad.

It needs to make its way to DAK asap.

Avatar has been rumored for Paris for a long time. Their plan was maybe for each park to get a different Avatar attraction.

 

[The Leader of the Club]

I feel like if Avatar was that big of a deal... We would have gotten that expansion instead of tropical americas.

But thats just me.

I think we got Tropical Americas first because that half of the park needed something that would pull crowds away from Pandora and Africa. Everest & Dino weren’t cutting it by themselves, they needed another headliner over there.

Once Tropical Americas opens and more evenly spreads crowds throughout the park, then they can assess whether expanding Pandora or adding another attraction to Africa (Lion King) would be a better bet.

 

[The Leader of the Club]

Avatarland doesnt need to be bigger. It is maintaining a stable popularity and is fine as is. I dont believe theyll gain anything from adding more Avatar.

I think the biggest gain from adding more Avatar attractions is taking some demand off of Flight of Passage and Navi River Journey.

They’re consistently among the most popular attractions in the park, if not the whole resort. Adding more ride capacity to Pandora could help get those wait times down.