MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

[SamusAranX]

That’s not what was said, and is very much the end result of many arguments in defense of Disney’s actions. People take liking Six Flags as an insult but then argue for the decision making mindset that lead to modern day Six Flags.

Which, incidentally, was the mentality Walt had to counter and wanted to avoid from the very beginning. Disney parks are meant to be different. They still are different; but certain decisions can breed a mindset that threatens that down the line

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

Just out of curiosity. By 2028, Will animal kingdom have a cohesive theme? If not, why not rename it to “Random Disney Adventure park”?
But then you have the problem of Hollywood Studios and MK having very loose themes as well, say….riding talking cars through the frontier and beside a haunted mansion….
Which then begs the question - why are any of these parks separate if they’re just a bunch of random ip rides?

Six flags are usually an assortment r random rides. Now, you can argue that the quality is better at Disney, but why is a family of 4 paying $10k for a selection of attractions and experiences but together by mad libs?

Families are paying $10k because Animal Kingdom is about animals?

Animal Kingdoms theme still applies as it’s about our connection to the wild world and its connection with us/each other.

Epcot is about human connection and how we are differnt/same

Magic Kingdom is about lands of fantasy, yesterday, and tommorrow.

Hollywood Studios is a celebration of Hollywood and its successes.

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

Amen!

Disney is currently on a two-step process. Step 1: Become like Universal. Step 2: Become more like 6 Flags. The concept of themed lands, the entire basis upon which the parks were based, is being eroded away with the silt of the river.

In what way? Can you please describe

 

[ToTBellHop]

I don’t know what we are yelling about but

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

The "whole" may still be strong, the issue lies in what’s getting lost in the process, and whether future changes might add up to a shift in what Disney really is. You give them an inch, they might take a mile. With the Rivers, they took 10 miles.

Rivers feels like a cm to me but oh well

 

[Dreamer19]

Families are paying $10k because Animal Kingdom is about animals?

Animal Kingdoms theme still applies as it’s about our connection to the wild world and its connection with us/each other.

Epcot is about human connection and how we are differnt/same

Magic Kingdom is about lands of fantasy, yesterday, and tommorrow.

Hollywood Studios is a celebration of Hollywood and its successes.

Now you’re putting those 2026 imagineer skills to the test, Mr Rodriguez!

(I hope you know I’m only giving you a hard time.)

 

[lazyboy97o]

No. But interpreting that as balking at nearly every discussion of design is not true.

I enjoy all the information you post here but you’re coming off a bit high-handed in this discussion.

We seem to be headed toward the same unproductive argument as yesterday.

People are going to have opinions that you consider baseless or uninformed. You’re not shy about pointing that out but maybe do it a bit more softly?

And saying people are only deludedly clinging to their childhood is a softer way to disagree?

I don’t care if people have a different view. But if they’re going to argue for a position I absolutely think they should do so directly and not engage in gaslighting and straw-manning. I do plenty of calling people out for positions that on the whole I might agree with.

 

[Disstevefan1]

We all argue back and forth.

The joke is on us.

Disney will do what it will do for whatever reason and nothing we say here makes a difference.

The forums are fun and Copium for some of us for when Disney does things we hate for whatever reasons.

 

[Dreamer19]

We all argue back and forth.

The joke is on us.

Disney will do what it will do for whatever reason and nothing we say here makes a difference.

The forums are fun and Copium for some of us for when Disney does things we hate for whatever reasons.

That all this is for me. Copium. We’re all just armchair imagineers….although I still feel as though, judging by some responses, current imagineers and maybe even Bob Iger are among us…..lol

 

[DCLcruiser]

Amazing how despite other arguments people have to keep defaulting to blind nostalgia being the only thing.

But, nostalgia is the main driver of WDW for most of us. That's not a bad thing. Do I think JII is a great ride? No. Do I love Figment. Yes. Why? Because I loved him as a kid, and continue to (as do my kids). The magic of the parks is the nostalgia we all feel. Now, yes, Disney goes above and beyond in theming and world creating. That is what solidifies the memories. It is not just an amusement park with metal railings, it's themed to the last degree (mickey butter). We love all of it.

But to be blind to the power of nostalgia is kidding ourselves.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Which, incidentally, was the mentality Walt had to counter and wanted to avoid from the very beginning. Disney parks are meant to be different. They still are different; but certain decisions can breed a mindset that threatens that down the line

Exactly. Six Flags didn’t consciously set out to have their current reputation. Similarly, all the operators that Walt consulted had reams of data for why they were doing things the right way. The Rivers of America have never made sense on a spreadsheet. Even the tiny Riverside Dr concepts for Disneyland had nearly half the plot of land dedicated to the river. It’s the sort of scale that has long been a defining hallmark of Disney.

 

[lazyboy97o]

But, nostalgia is the main driver of WDW for most of us. That's not a bad thing. Do I think JII is a great ride? No. Do I love Figment. Yes. Why? Because I loved him as a kid, and continue to (as do my kids). The magic of the parks is the nostalgia we all feel. Now, yes, Disney goes above and beyond in theming and world creating. That is what solidifies the memories. It is not just an amusement park with metal railings, it's themed to the last degree (mickey butter). We love all of it.

But to be blind to the power of nostalgia is kidding ourselves.

That may be true for you but it isn’t true for everyone. Plenty of arguments have been put forward that aren’t about nostalgia.

 

[DCLcruiser]

I barely ever went on the riverboat, guilty as charged.

That being said, it was there and had a far greater impact on me as background than it would as a ride on attraction. The sound of the whistle, the passengers waving as it passed while we would walk to splash mountain or BTM. It was an enhanced sensory experience that transported anyone around to another time and place - yesterday, tomorrow and fantasy.

100% agree. I didn't ask for it to leave. TSI, I could do without. But, I think I will enjoy the Cars ride more than the river/LB.

I understand the importance of WDW spending money on ROA/LB, in a modern age. How it brings nature and tranquility into the parks. A little time machine to a simpler age. I get it all. I just don't value that more than a quality ride...I might change my mind when I see Cars in person.

 

[Chi84]

And saying people are only deludedly clinging to their childhood is a softer way to disagree?

No. I don’t think nostalgia is a bad thing. Disney certainly doesn’t. They sell it in their advertising. Maybe someone used the term “deludedly” and I missed it.

I wasn’t talking about the content of posts but the tone. I’m not the only one seeing it. Take my suggestion for what it’s worth to you.

 

[dlfan1313]

In what way? Can you please describe

First, you need to pretend you just interrupted my hour-long diatribe about the weather and my various medical conditions, and envision the grizzled old man I am sitting in my bacralounger while I try earnestly to convince you that theme parks were once about theming and not individual IPs lumped together based on geography and which park and/or themed land needs a new attraction regardless of wether or not the IP selected because it's hoped to sell the most t-shirts fits in thematically. (Grammarly has no concerns with the preceding sentence, which is concerning.) That's what Universal Parks have always been about. The overarching theme of a park or land is what gave the area its soul. It's what transports us out of the everyday. I like Universal. I enjoy their parks a great deal. I like 6 Flags too. It doesn't mean everything Disney does is terrible. The more times I visit Galaxy's Edge, the more I absolutely love it, save for Smugglers Run. It does, however, mean that the heart and soul of what the parks once were is being torn out and replaced with IP ala Universal.

As for step 2... that's admittedly more theoretical. But the most inherent momentum of modern corporations is how to charge more and offer less.

 

[dlfan1313]

You really cannot be serious with this Six Flags
stuff. They are nowhere even close to being in that realm. That would have to be a course change far, far, far more dramatic than taking the river away. Six Flags level isn’t even the next step down the ladder.

No, not really fully serious. Just pointing out a continuing decline.

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

First, you need to pretend you just interrupted my hour-long diatribe about the weather and my various medical conditions, and envision the grizzled old man I am sitting in my bacralounger while I try earnestly to convince you that theme parks were once about theming and not individual IPs lumped together based on geography and which park and/or themed land needs a new attraction regardless of wether or not the IP selected because it's hoped to sell the most t-shirts fits in thematically. (Grammarly has no concerns with the preceding sentence, which is concerning.) That's what Universal Parks have always been about. The overarching theme of a park or land is what gave the area its soul. It's what transports us out of the everyday. I like Universal. I enjoy their parks a great deal. I like 6 Flags too. It doesn't mean everything Disney does is terrible. The more times I visit Galaxy's Edge, the more I absolutely love it, save for Smugglers Run. It does, however, mean that the heart and soul of what the parks once were is being torn out and replaced with IP ala Universal.

As for step 2... that's admittedly more theoretical. But the most inherent momentum of modern corporations is how to charge more and offer less.

Well here’s the problem, the Disney parks have not been some perfect bastion of keeping in with themes all the time. Period.

Every era has multiple attractions that either don’t fit their lands well or at best by a small degree and were added in for other reasons. I’d rather have the parks become more equalized in attraction count and have the imagineers come up with a fun way of doing an idea to make it fit into a specific park rather than they just shoehorn it in because “well it’s what was there before!”

To me, Frontierland right now can easily be combined with Liberty Square to show a passage of time and locations as you walk past all the various attractions.

I think people like me’s point is that having the river does not change much fundamentally for us personally. The theme still makes enough sense and the attractions would be a major step up

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

Now you’re putting those 2026 imagineer skills to the test, Mr Rodriguez!

(I hope you know I’m only giving you a hard time.)

Ah what can I say I can take a joke

But to me, the parks genuinely do feel like they make sense still. There’s IPs that scream that they fit individual parks while others that don’t. There’s a style thread going through it’s just changed a little bit on how broad they use that theme. I think the themes haven’t changed themselves but the hyperfocus on one aspect has.

 

[dlfan1313]

Well here’s the problem, the Disney parks have not been some perfect bastion of keeping in with themes all the time. Period.

Every era has multiple attractions that either don’t fit their lands well or at best by a small degree and were added in for other reasons. I’d rather have the parks become more equalized in attraction count and have the imagineers come up with a fun way of doing an idea to make it fit into a specific park rather than they just shoehorn it in because “well it’s what was there before!”

To me, Frontierland right now can easily be combined with Liberty Square to show a passage of time and locations as you walk past all the various attractions.

I think people like me’s point is that having the river does not change much fundamentally for us personally. The theme still makes enough sense and the attractions would be a major step up

Of course, they haven't always been perfect, and they never will be. You are obviously welcome to your incorrect opinion. (That's a joke. Joking with each other is something we used to do in olden days.) I'm not, though, joking about Frontierland showing the passage of time a bit weak. I don't dislike your idea, it's creative to be sure I just feel like that's still just explaing away something that doesn't fit in an eloquent way. It still doesn't fit. Things can change. Themes can change. Individual attractions can be mind-blowing, boring, and everything in between. But I will still argue that basing everything on IP and plunking it down wherever, all willy nilly, or in little minilands with one attraction or one decent attraction and a flat ride is a page right out of Universal's playbook. Like I said before, I like Universal. But what they offer has always lacked the cohesive soul of what Disney managed to do in the past.

 

[Disstevefan1]

You are obviously welcome to your incorrect opinion.

Wait! I am never allowed my incorrect opinion!!


Another thing, what makes an opinion incorrect?